It looks like Joe's stepson got a wise head. We too, plan to fly KLM end of October. I've had enough of those middle east jobs, too long! For the money you are saving (roughly £150) you just as well spend that bit extra, with the knowledge that there is no shorter route. These flights can make or break a holiday when there are 2 of you flying. Not so bad when on your own, you can put up with more. Like I said before, if your pockets are not deep enough for bus class, buy 3 econ seats instead, great if there are 2 of you on a budget, like most of us on here. Another thing I forgot to mention, with most of these cheaper flights, you get between 22 and 30 kilo's KLM you get 46 kilo. You can bring many cans of whatever you like back home to the UK with that allowance. Yes You can bring food cans back to the UK from Manila main airport. We did it back in November