Firefighters to Strike...

[joebloggs]

If you don't like it DON'T be an NHS worker or a Bus driver!

Taxi driver or emergency worker, I doubt it's in their contract that they might face abuse or be assaulted, nor should anyone expect to be, doing their job.

[joebloggs]

I never really cared very much about bitching to employers about pay..If I didn't like the pay I`d give them an ultimatum..If that didnt work, I left and either found another job or created one like Les did.

Well when its your career and you've been doing the same job for years, and there is only 1 employer who makes and breaks the terms and conditions of your employment, then the last option they have is to strike when the gov makes a major change to your employment.

[SimonH]

Well when its your career and you've been doing the same job for years, and there is only 1 employer who makes and breaks the terms and conditions of your employment, then the last option they have is to strike when the gov makes a major change to your employment.

Breakout the bunting, call the press, Joe has actually made a comment relevant to the topic

[joebloggs]

That reminds me I must put the clothes in the dryer

No, but I did have some lovely smoked salmon from Lidl tonight

http://www.lidl.co.uk/en/6764.htm?ac...etail&id=17887

Breakout the bunting, call the press, Joe has actually made a comment relevant to the topic

Pity can't say the same for you

[Longweekend]

Joe, do you really believe that a contract of employment should never be altered, changed or amended? meaning that a contract which was written in the 1940's should still be honoured in 2014.....

[joebloggs]

Joe, do you really believe that a Contract of Employment should never be altered, changed or amended? Meaning that a contract which was written in the 1940s should still be honoured in 2014.....

Of course contracts are changed, but a contract is an agreement btw 2 parties this has been forced on them. I remember when the gov was taken to court over Tier Visas and the courts ruled the changes were unfair, expecting someone to work on the front line until they are 60 is a major change.

[fred]

Well when its your career and you've been doing the same job for years, and there is only 1 employer who makes and breaks the terms and conditions of your employment, then the last option they have is to strike when the gov makes a major change to your employment.

Personally I would never have tied myself down to a career like that.
Working is bad enough!! Thats why I jacked it in and come over here!

It must be very frustrating for a dedicated Fireman being told that he cannot attend an emergency call because he`s on strike and has to mind a picket line..

Personally I could not reconcile that with my conscience..I`d leave, no doubt about it.

[Longweekend]

How about a level playing field Joe:

Peddling images of wizened, elderly figures trying to climb ladders, the union tells us a rise in the retirement age to 60 will be a serious threat to public safety. But this is nonsense.
For a start, fire-fighters will be able to continue in service only if they pass a fitness test, as happens in other physically demanding, publicly paid jobs such as the police and the Army, where the retirement age is 60.
Moreover, almost every other fire service in the world sets the retirement threshold at 60. Some have even higher age limits. In Germany, one of the best run, safety-conscious nations on earth, 65 is the retirement age, while in Australia it is 63.

[joebloggs]

Personally I would never have tied myself down to a career like that.
Working is bad enough!! Thats why I jacked it in and come over here!

It must be very frustrating for a dedicated Fireman being told that he cannot attend an emergency call because he`s on strike and has to mind a picket line..

Personally I could not reconcile that with my conscience..I`d leave, no doubt about it.

Should be no problem with their consciences as they have not refused to attend emergency calls. If there were problems, they would have made the front page of the 'Daily Snail' and Dedworth would have posted about them

[Dedworth]

Dedworth, you should contact the 'Elf and Safety' and ask them why most firefighters on a shout cannot do their jobs as used to be before these idiotic rules came out.

You are not even allowed to carry a tool box on you own now so how stupid is that!

Remember the summer of 1976 when many men did not go home for days. Who goes in when others run out?

This goes to prove that Joe is in 'Fireman Sam Land' when he imagines 60 year olds laden with 100 lbs of equipment carrying someone down a ladder

[les_taxi]

that's the same abuse emergency workers put up with to, also bus drivers and NHS workers

Difference being I could be miles from anywhere on a country lane with 4 lads wanting to give me a kicking.
i'm totally on my own on that one in a confined space.
But again i don't moan about my job,my pay at all-just get on with it
i chose to do it no one forced me and I also took financial gamble rather than play it safe and stay in a job i had got bored with

[Dedworth]

How about a level playing field Joe:

Peddling images of wizened, elderly figures trying to climb ladders, the union tells us a rise in the retirement age to 60 will be a serious threat to public safety. But this is nonsense.
For a start, fire-fighters will be able to continue in service only if they pass a fitness test, as happens in other physically demanding, publicly paid jobs such as the police and the Army, where the retirement age is 60.
[I]Moreover, almost every other fire service in the world sets the retirement threshold at 60. Some have even higher age limits. In Germany, one of the best run, safety-conscious nations on earth, 65 is the retirement age, while in Australia it is 63.

Facts like those don't suit Joe's argument

[les_taxi]

How about a level playing field Joe:

Peddling images of wizened, elderly figures trying to climb ladders, the Union tells us a rise in the retirement age to 60 will be a serious threat to public safety. But this is nonsense.

For a start, fire-fighters will be able to continue in service only if they pass a fitness test, as happens in other physically demanding, publicly paid jobs such as the police and the Army, where the retirement age is 60.
[I]Moreover, almost every other fire service in the world sets the retirement threshold at 60. Some have even higher age limits. In Germany, one of the best run, safety-conscious nations on earth, 65 is the retirement age, while in Australia it is 63.

Good call!

[joebloggs]

How about a level playing field Joe?

I think you're wrong, unless you can post me a link. Soldiers do not go on the front line until they are 60 or anywhere near that age. They can claim there pension at 60.

[joebloggs]

Facts like those don't suit Joes argument

tell me dedworth as you know the armed forces so well, what is the maximum age a British solider can be sent to the front line, i wait your fact based reply. with link

[les_taxi]

It's 18 as the squaddies tell me.

Found this link too - what a great kid!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...Call-Duty.html

[Longweekend]

No comments on this Joe?

Moreover, almost every other fire service in the world sets the retirement threshold at 60. Some have even higher age limits. In Germany, one of the best run, safety-conscious nations on earth, 65 is the retirement age, while in Australia it is 63.

[les_taxi]

No, he will use diversionary tactics

Joe is a good sport though!

[Dedworth]

Tell me Dedworth, as you know the armed forces so well, what is the maximum age a British solider can be sent to the front line, I wait your fact based reply. With link

Another drift off topic Joe. I can't be bothered to look it up but chalk & cheese Armed Forces are not Emergency Services.

Perhaps you ought to think of it another way - the youngest age an infantry private can go into combat, compared with the youngest a firefighter can read the risk assessment :-



A man who fell into a lake drowned after firefighters called to the scene said they could not enter the water if it was higher than ankle deep for health and safety reasons, an inquest has been told.

Simon Burgess, a 41-year-old charity shop worker died at Walpole Park, in Gosport, Hampshire, on 10 March. He is believed to have had an epileptic seizure either before or after falling into the water while feeding swans.

Witnesses raised the alarm, but the hearing was told on Tuesday that members of a fire crew refused to get to him because the water was more than ankle deep. Instead, they waited for a specialist water rescue team and Burgess was only taken out of the lake 28 minutes after the alarm was raised.

Gillian Hughes, 53, told the inquest, at Portsmouth coroners court, that she had phoned Emergency Services and urged them to rescue Burgess when they arrived. She said: "The firemen arrived with the police, and I said: 'He's only been there five or 10 minutes, so if you hurry you might save him.'

"He just said: 'We're not allowed', and I said: 'But that's your job.'

Hughes added: "I said to one of the firemen: 'Why don't you go in?' and he said they couldn't if the water was higher than ankle deep. I said: 'You're having a laugh'. He said: 'No, that's health and safety' – but I thought that was their job."

She said that another fire crew arrived and started walking around the lake, putting in a pole and measuring the depth but, by this time, Burgess had drifted from one side of the lake to the other.

Deborah Coles, the Control Room Manager at Hampshire Fire and Rescue, told the inquest that she took the call from Hughes at 12.17 pm and, within a minute, had sent a fire appliance, a water rescue trained crew and a water support unit.

"Police, ambulance and coastguard were also sent as standard for a water rescue," she added. "The specialist teams are there to deal with water which is over half a boot in depth. At 12.20 pm, the fire crew confirmed attendance and at 12.25 they told us a male was floating face down."

"The water support unit arrived at 12.31 pm. At 12.46, we received a message requesting our press officer attend the scene. At 12.52, an update came in saying a male had been recovered, and at 12.58 he was taken to hospital."

Burgess was pronounced dead at 1.42 pm after he was taken to hospital.

Dr Bret Lockyer, the Speciality Registrar of Histopathology, told the inquest there were signs that Burgess had fallen into the lake because of an epileptic seizure.

Burgess was diagnosed with the condition in 1987, and had unsuccessful brain surgery to ease the seizures. Lockyer said: "If he had been taken out of the water after 10 minutes, there is a slim chance he could have been resuscitated.

"It seems he had a seizure either before or while he fell into the water."

The hearing continues.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/f...e-firefighters

I'm not knocking firefighters they have their hands tied by the nanny state

[bigmarco]

Solidarity with our comrades in the FBU. I've been off this weekend but if the strikes still ongoing on Tuesday I won't be taking a train into any tunnels.

Refusal to work on the grounds of Health and Safety for fear of danger to my passengers as 27 engines in 32 boroughs manned by doughnuts will be no good if we have a repeat of 7/7

[joebloggs]

It's 18 as the squaddies tell me.

Maximum age Leslie?

No comments on this Joe?

Moreover, almost every other Fire Service in the world sets the retirement threshold at 60. Some have even higher age limits. In Germany, one of the best run, safety-conscious nations on earth, 65 is the retirement age, while in Australia it is 63.

And they work on the frontline, fighting fires at that age, or the age they can claim their pension ?

Another drift off topic Joe. I can't be bothered to look it up. But chalk & cheese - armed forces are not Emergency Services.

Not good enough Dedworth, I know you know. What's the maximum age you can join the Army, something like 32? How long can you sign up for 4 or 8 yrs ?

So there are probably few fighting at the frontline who are over 40 I wonder why, Dedworth

But it's ok for a firefighter to be at the frontline until they are 60

[fred]

In this video.. Joe appears at 0.35 and look! Andy is right there behind him!!

[joebloggs]

In this video.. Joe appears at 0.35 and look! Andy is right there behind him!!

I don't have 2 mins to waste watching that. More important things to watch, like football

[Dedworth]

Maximum age Leslie

And they work on the frontline, fighting fires at that age, or the age they can claim their pension ?



Not good enough Dedworth, I know you know. What's the maximum age you can join the Army? Something like 32? How long can you sign up for 4 or 8 yrs ?

So there are probably few fighting at the frontline who are over 40 I wonder why dedworth

But it's ok for a firefighter to be at the frontline until they are 60

Bit of a different front line Joe - in your Publicly Funded, Unionised, 'Elf & Safety' wonderland you'd like to see the Royal Marines called out to rescue a cat stuck up a tree 'cos they're dossing around in barracks rather than being in a combat zone

[les_taxi]

Maximum age Lesley

Ok you win on that one point I misread, but lose it again for incorrect spelling of my name!

[joebloggs]

I'm thinking Joe (probably Joanne in real life) is a woman, as he is such a bitch.

Ok you win on that one point I misread, but lose it again for incorrect spelling of my name!

I think I got your name right

[fred]

i think i got your name right

What? Is it half time Joe?

[joebloggs]

Bit of a different front line Joe - in your Publicly Funded, Unionised, 'Elf & Safety' wonderland you'd like to see the Royal Marines called out to rescue a cat stuck up a tree 'cos they're dossing around in barracks rather than being in a combat zone

Is it, in what way ? Carrying heavy equipment? Going into dangerous situations?

As for rescuing a cat, you were calling them for not rescuing a duck a few posts ago

Truth is Dedworth, they are too old. What other reason can there be? Yet firemen have to work for another 20 yrs

[joebloggs]

What? Is it half time Joe?

It is not good for United at the mo, but they're holding on.

Not bothered who wins, as long as one wins

[les_taxi]

Shame about red card - City will go on to win no doubt!