I'd prop up Cameron in government... but only if we can vote on leaving the EU next year, says Nigel

[grahamw48]

All of this pandering to the voters by the big parties in the run-up to the election. Sickening marketing and propaganda.

Keep digging them in the ribs Mr. Farage. You won't get into power, but SOMEBODY might be pressured to actually carry out the wishes of the majority of ordinary people in this country then.

[les_taxi]

I have in no way said the medical profession get too much money - just Joe being economical with the truth.

The structure of the pay rise is wrong - the 1% across the board.
The guy on over a £100,000 would get it too

Thought you Labour guys were against wealth!

[joebloggs]

Midwives starting salary is £22,000 -rising to £34,000 when experienced.

Top Midwives' Advisers etc, on £60,000

Why did you spend time googling their wages, Les? Is this supposed to impress people? How well paid they are? Tell me what the average wage is

Plus all the ridiculous immigrants allowed in. 120-odd different kinds of benefits created

Name 20 benefits, Les. The only mistake Labour made, unless you know better. If you do, please tell. They didn't make the Poles wait 7yrs until they could come to the UK - which they did with the Romanians and Bulgarians.

Have to fend off fights, even had a gun waved in my car.

Many NHS staff have been assaulted ,

Unions are the problem, get rid!

And what about bosses that exploit workers? If they didn't, then there would be no need for unions

I also wish to say that many doctors I know are middle class having come from moneyed backgrounds. Tory voters too!

You would have to be from a middle class family to afford the £50k debt they end up in

Is that why we have so many foreign doctors Joe, 'cos their training is less thorough ?

My misses has done 5yrs at Med School in the Phils, the course and uni has to be recognised by the GMC so you can be registered. That's after you've passed PLAB exams - something British doctors don't do!

I have in no way said the medical profession get too much money - just Joe being economical with the truth.

The structure of the pay rise is wrong - the 1% across the board.

The guy on over a £100,000 would get it too

Thought you Labour guys were against wealth!

As I've already asked, why did you post the wage scales for them ???

Which guy gets £100k? Show me some figures as you did with midwives, Les

[les_taxi]

Why did you spend time googling their wages, Les? Is this supposed to impress people? How well paid they are? Tell me what the average wage is

Unlike you Joe, I don't google all day - was on 5-Live when I heard it

the only mistake Labour made

You're having a laugh!

I will look it up at some point, but it is a fact that under Labour there were about 120 different benefits available.

Many NHS staff have been assaulted

True, but this is not the argument - I'm not criticizing the job they do or what they get paid - you misread too much.

Quick google and I found this - if you want I will try to find higher earners

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All I'm saying is, a lot of the top-paid professionals were able to take on the debt, as they came from wealthy middle class backgrounds

[les_taxi]

Btw. I only posted the midwife wage as Andy posted this:

Now there are midwives striking for decent pay. The first time in history

Since the average midwife gets over £30,000, I did not feel they were on the breadline.

You Labour guys love strike action - so we give them a rise, then firemen, then police etc etc - we ain't got the money as Labour gleefully pointed out when they were kicked out of office

[joebloggs]

Unlike you Joe I don't google all day-was on 5 live where I heard it

, I cant access this forum 24/7 - unlike you while you're working. The only reason I'm on here now is because today is one of my paid holidays

Quick google and I found this - if you want, I will try to find higher earners
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Pity you didn't check Les, there are Pay Scales for Managers, but then you'll tell me the NHS has to pay the going business rate for a job with such responsibility when a trust employs 1,000s

All I'm saying is, a lot of the top-paid professionals were able to take on the debt, as they came from wealthy middle class backgrounds

You're right Les, not many working class kids get to be doctors, doesn't sound fair does it

[les_taxi]

You're right Les, not many working class kids get to be doctors, doesn't sound fair does it

It's life get on with it!

Pity you didn't check Les, there are Pay Scales for Managers, but then you'll tell me the NHS has to pay the going business rate for a job with such responsibility when a trust employs 1,000s

No, pity you don't know your stuff Joe, as it was on 5 Live this morning. Play it back! Nicky (what's his name?) put it to the strikers: How did they feel about people in the Health Service earning over £100,000 getting the 1%? They, of course, couldn't answer. Great fun listening to that!

Double-check your facts in future, Joe - I'm getting bored of correcting you

[joebloggs]

Btw, I only posted the midwife wage as Andy posted this:

Now there are midwives striking for decent pay. The first time in history.

Since the average midwife gets over £30,000, I did not feel they were on the breadline.

You Labour guys love strike action - so we give them a rise, then firemen, then police, etc etc - we ain't got the money as Labour gleefully pointed out when they were kicked out of office

You don't feel Les, how much is rent down South, Les?

No money, yet Osborne cuts 10% off the tax rate for the rich! How does that work out, Les?

Seeing as you're busy working, I'll google average pay for the UK for you Les..

Oh, it's £26,500 Les.

There were four midwives on staff the night we were there and every single one of them told me they love their job. They routinely work their 12-hour shift without a break and stay late - sometimes up to 15/16 hours - in order to see a labour through.

http://www.itv.com/news/2014-10-10/m...-row-over-pay/

As for my misses, I moaned at her last week when she came home at 7:30 pm. Told her she was only supposed to work 40 hrs a week. Most nights she doesn't get home till after 7pm. It's 6:20pm now, shes still not home and she should finish at 5pm. Takes her 20mins to get home... unpaid overtime Les, unlike you she cant just say I've had enough for today and go home.

[joebloggs]

It's life get on with it!

No, pity you don't know your stuff Joe, as it was on 5 Live this morning. Play it back! Nicky (whats his name?) put it to the strikers: How did they feel about people in the Health Service earning over £100,000 getting the 1%? They, of course, couldn't answer. Great fun listening to that!

Double-check your facts in future, Joe - I'm getting bored of correcting you

I'll correct you again les, what's this link then les ?? send me a link where it says a doctor, nurse or midwife gets 100k a year ?

http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/explore...-for-managers/

Band 8 - band 9
Communications service manager (Band 8a-8c)
Counsellor professional manager (Band 8a-C)
Estates Manager Higher Level Operations (Band 8a-b)
Estates Manager Higher Level Projects (Band 8a-b)
Head of Procurement and Supply (Band 8a-b)
Health Records Service Manager (Band 8a-c)
Healthcare Science Service Manager (Career Framework Stage 8) (Band 8a-d)
Healthcare Scientist Professional Manager (Career Framework Stage 8) (Band 8a-c)
HR Manager Principal (Assistant Director) (Band 8a-c)
IM&T Service Manager (Band 8a-c)
Physiological Measurement/ Clinical Physiology Service Manager (Band 8a-b)
Principal Finance Manager (Band 8a)
Professional Manager (Clinical, Clinical Technical Service) (Band 8a-b)
Professional Manager Library Services (Band 8a-b)
Professional Manager, Improvement and Development (Band 8a-b)
Programme Manager (Band 8a)
Chief Finance Manager Band (8a-8d)
Head of Estates/ Assistant Head of Estates (Band 8c-d)
HR Head of Service Band (8b-d)
Pharmacist Team Manager
Professional Manager (Pharmaceutical Services) (Band 8b-c)

[les_taxi]

They entered the profession knowing that's the score. The wage for a midwife is based on a *37.5 hour week. What's *that? I've never done that in my life

They do a great job and clearly get great job satisfaction.
You have Googled the average pay for what? everyone in UK?

unlike you she can't just say I've had enough for today and go home

Did she choose her job or was she forced into it against her will Joe? If she was forced into it she could maybe claim.

I chose my job too and had to invest a lot of money to do so.

I have worked 90-hour weeks mate, so don't need a lecture on when I can finish.

[les_taxi]

I'll correct you again, Les. What's this link then, Les? Send me a link where it says a doctor, nurse or midwife gets 100k a year

No, I will correct you. I said 'Health Worker' - which includes all as pointed out on 5 Live - just listen to the podcast! In fact, do you want £50 on it?

[les_taxi]

Salaries for the UK's 42,000 GPs vary from an average of £103,000 a year for partners in practices to anything between £53,781 and £81,158 for GPs employed by Primary Care Trusts.

That's from 2012 - satisfied now?

[KeithD]

Keith give me all your cash and car and credit cards! I will spend everything, max out your cards. Then in a few years time I will have a go at you for having no money to spend.

So the way the Tories have dealt with it is to go to payday lenders and increase the debt by using debt to payoff debt!

Even the country's top finance experts say the government should have invested more money in jobs, rather than putting thousands on the dole, and calling it austerity.

[les_taxi]

It was a no win election - a poisoned chalice - you ain't going to like the person who says you can't spend what we haven't got

Even the country's top finance experts say the government should have invested more money in jobs, rather than putting thousands on the dole, and call it austerity

So the fact is that the jobless count is lower than when Labour was in power is irrelevant then?

[les_taxi]

Right, work to do - as I have just wasted an hour of my life on here.

[joebloggs]

They entered the profession knowing that's the score.The wage for a midwife is based on a *37.5 hour week. What's *that? I've never done that in my life

They do a great job and clearly get great job satisfaction.
You have Googled the average pay for what? everyone in UK?

Did she choose her job or was she forced into it against her will Joe? If she was forced into it she could maybe claim

I chose my job too and had to invest a lot of money to do so.

I have worked 90-hour weeks mate so don't need a lecture on when I can finish.

So when you take a job and your contract says you work a 40-hr week, that's what you work, not 5-10 hrs a week for nothing. But that's what many NHS workers do - work for nothing - it doesn't come with the job at all, they are dedicated to the job. Unlike you Les, they can't say never mind the patient, I'll go home. Maybe they should, and it will force a change! But then it's that they are striking for now! Where does it mention working for nothing ?????? They are - and have been - exploited for years and you moan about a 1% pay rise.

90-hrs a week? Try a 12-hr shift for a week dealing with people's lives.

[joebloggs]

Salaries for the UK's 42,000 GPs vary from an average of £103,000 a year for partners in practices to anything between £53,781 and £81,158 for GPs employed by Primary Care Trusts.

That's from 2012 - satisfied now?

Partners, they own the GP surgery; its run as a business just like your taxi business. They employ staff and pay their wages, pay utilities etc..

Oh, an NHS GP gets £53k to £85k,

How many years experience do you need to be on £85k?

[les_taxi]

Wrong again Joe - you suckered me into coming back to reply.

A survey by The Daily Telegraph has found that more than 7,800 NHS staff were paid over £100,000 last year, with a third of them earning more than David Cameron’s £142,500 salary.

You're glad they would have got the 1% rise? !

Again, you are trying to twist things - which is what you do.

I have total respect for NHS workers, don't believe in strikes - unlike Labour supporters in general.

[les_taxi]

People choose their jobs - if they don't want the hours, don't want the responsibility, go and do another job.

You will be telling me next, Teachers have a hard time of it

[les_taxi]

What will be awful for the country - but will be great fun - is watching you trying to defend Labour if they get back in. Oh, I'm sure we will all be poorer, but I will have the satisfaction of taking the piss out of you big time

[KeithD]

Waste of time talking about the Tories anyway, they won't be winning next May. The underlying trend the bookies use still gives Labour a few points lead.

[les_taxi]

I'm shutting up for now.

[joebloggs]

Wrong again Joe - you suckered me into coming back to reply.

A survey by The Daily Telegraph has found that more than 7,800 NHS staff were paid over £100,000 last year, with a third of them earning more than David Cameron’s £142,500 salary.

How many were managers ???????

[joebloggs]

A survey by The Daily Telegraph has found that more than 7,800 NHS staff were paid over £100,000 last year, with a third of them earning more than David Cameron’s £142,500 salary
.

Cameron and the MPs have more paid holidays than any other job. Maybe he should try a 12-hr shift for a week!

[joebloggs]

Waste of time talking about the Tories anyway, they won't be winning next May. The underlying trend the bookies use still gives Labour a few points lead.

They were right about the Scottish Referendum and they will be right about a Labour government.

[Jamesey]

Perfect combination for me - Tory/UKIP - bang on!

I can't think of anything worse than this! Actually, I can. UKIP on their own!

This is an interesting read and tells it how it is. I'm still hopeful that the vast majority of UKIP's supporters will see sense before the next election.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...e-ukip-4415106

[SimonH]

Waste of time talking about the Tories anyway, they won't be winning next May. The underlying trend the bookies use still gives Labour a few points lead.

As a betting man, how much do you want on that?

[joebloggs]

I can't think of anything worse than this! Actually, I can. UKIP on their own!

This is an interesting read and tells it how it is. I'm still hopeful that the vast majority of UKIP's supporters will see sense before the next election.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...e-ukip-4415106

Let's hope many of them watch this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04lxvrd

[joebloggs]

Found your article, Les

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/he...-salaries.html

Almost 8,000 NHS hospital managers and consultants were paid six-figure salaries last year while nurses were “run ragged” because of dangerously low staffing levels.

The highest-paid executive earned £340,000 — almost 16 times more than ward nurses, who earn as little as £21,388-a-year. Eleven high earners have been paid more than £250,000 each.

Darren Cattell, the trust’s interim finance director, was paid £340,000 last year — almost £1,475-a-day — as the trust headed towards financial meltdown.

Trusts said that the majority of high earners were senior clinical staff. The average consultant is paid £84,000, but can receive an additional £76,000 a year in “clinical excellence awards”, which critics claim are given as a matter of course.

A Department of Health spokesman said: “Many of these staff are senior consultants and their pay reflects responsibilities and clinical skills".

[Arthur Little]

This is an interesting read and tells it how it is.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...e-ukip-4415106

Unlike this thread, ... full of the usual boring, political claptrap - accurate or otherwise - being posted on here, ad infinitum!

! At last, someone has taken the initiative to close it, thank the Lord!