Pakistan - The Real Enemy

[Dedworth]

The REAL enemy: How Pakistan hid Osama Bin Laden from the U.S. and fueled the war in Afghanistan

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz2yweZ9LIb


Nothing we didn't know already about this pariah state

Trade and travel ban required along with revocation of visas

[grahamw48]

Well of course we have various satellite 'states' of theirs prospering very nicely up and down our country now...infiltrating all levels of the media, services and government.

[les_taxi]

I still reckon the reason there have been no bombings in the UK for a while is because they now realise the best way to take over is continue to increase their population and get into government, school influence etc.

[andy222]

And we are still sending them £millions in aid.

[les_taxi]

And we are still sending them £millions in aid.

Yes and once again I totally disagree with this

[tiger31]

just drive through Bradford and will think you are in another country. Its shocking to think how this country has gone

[les_taxi]

just drive through Bradford and will think you are in another country. Its shocking to think how this country has gone

It's loads of places Tiger, Harehills in Leeds is nearly a no-go, Oldham, Rochdale, Keighley, Bradford - list just gets bigger.

[tiger31]

It's loads of places Tiger,Harehills in Leeds is nearly a no-go,Oldham,Rochdale,Keighley,Bradford list just gets bigger.

well I can,t speak for them places but I did drive through a good bit of Bradford and was totally shocked to be honest. I struggled to see a white person walking or driving a car I could,nt believe it. I did hear that Bradford had a high population of non whites but I was not expecting to see what I saw. MY town of Corby population around 56,000 we only have a handful but have a big bunch of eastern Europeans and that its that group that are changing the feel of the town .

[andy222]

just drive through bradford and will think you are in another country ,Its shocking to think how this country has gone

Bradford has been like that for 20 years Tiger. Even some parts of London are suffering the same fate. Luton is very bad.

[grahamw48]

27% of Bradford's population are of Asian origin...ie, Indian Subcontinent.

25% are Muslim. (2012 figures).

Bradford also has the youngest population in Yorkshire (average age 34 yrs).

This presumably has something to do with having 6 or 8 kids at a time.

[Dedworth]

27% of Bradford's population are of Asian origin...ie, Indian Subcontinent.

25% are Muslim. (2012 figures).

Bradford also has the youngest population in Yorkshire (average age 34 yrs).

This presumably has something to do with having 6 or 8 kids at a time.

How many of these 6 or 8 kids are the offspring of cousins

[les_taxi]

Bradford has been like that for 20 years Tiger. Even some parts of London are suffering the same fate. Luton is very bad.

The difference now Andy is that years ago they got on and mixed and it was not a problem. Now they are confrontational and have created no go areas. I'm contemplating walking through hare hill's with a help for hero's t shirt on!

[grahamw48]

How many of these 6 or 8 kids are the offspring of cousins

A very real problem, and one that is putting an even greater load on the health service that we're all paying for (along with all those extra babies and their mothers' maternity needs), due to genetic malformations/diseases, etc.

[Dedworth]

A very real problem, and one that is putting an even greater load on the health service that we're all paying for (along with all those extra babies and their mothers' maternity needs), due to genetic malformations/diseases, etc.

Simple solution - make it illegal. It will only affect pakistanis and will save untold millions in health, education and benefit costs.

[imagine]

ah Bradford well I cant say anything else without fear of being tagged a racist

[les_taxi]

Free speech, I'll say it for you its a .... hole now!

[Doc Alan]

Interesting claims that Pakistan intentionally hid Osama bin Laden, and possibly his deputy, as well as backing the Taliban.


Pakistan is one of only three countries in the world where polio is still endemic – the others are Afghanistan and Nigeria ( where it’s declining, because of more vaccinations ). Polio is in fact a nightmare - for Pakistani health workers, and global attempts to eradicate this dreadful but vaccine-preventable illness. Over 40 vaccination staff have been killed since mid-2012, allegedly by Taliban. They don’t trust vaccination programmes. This wasn’t helped by the CIA seemingly using a local doctor to run a fake hepatitis-vaccination campaign to obtain DNA samples from bin Laden’s relatives and confirm where he was living, in the months leading up to his killing in 2011. Apart from Pakistan becoming most likely the last place on earth where polio still exists, there’s the chance of cross-border spread to Afghanistan, and beyond.


That’s not Pakistan’s only health problem . Health of mums and kids is comparatively poor , with poverty, undernutrition, and badly organised health services - not helped by political instability, security issues, and natural disasters.


As for Pakistanis in the UK … it’s one of over 100 countries in the world with a high frequency of TB ( contributing about one in five to the three quarters of ALL UK cases who were born abroad ). Hopefully pre-entry screening will make a difference.


It’s also true that rates of congenital abnormalities and infant deaths are higher in this ethnic group. Perhaps a third of these are due to consanguinity. Levels of congenital anomalies and childhood disability in Bradford may indeed be among the highest in the UK. The highest risks are in the offsprings of first cousins. It DOES have resource implications - for antenatal, paediatric and clinical genetic services, as well as health promotion and public health.


WHY is consanguinity ( mating of closely related / “ blood “ relatives ) risky, if not illegal ? Most serious genetic diseases are “ recessive “. This means an individual must inherit two copies of the abnormal gene ( one from each parent ) for the disease to be “ expressed “. It’s more likely that both parents will carry the same recessive gene(s) if they’re related.


These are health problems of living in, or migrating from, Pakistan. Solving the challenges, politics, cultural and social factors contributing to them are another matter.


http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...132-0/abstract

[Dedworth]

Top judge’s fury at human rights ban on sending ‘jihadist’ to US

Britains most senior judge hit out yesterday at meddling European human rights judges for tying his hands over the extradition of an Al Qaeda suspect.

Haroon Aswat, 39, is wanted in the US where he allegedly plotted to set up a terrorist training camp along with hate preacher Abu Hamza.

Home Secretary Theresa May had vowed to defy a European Court of Human Rights ruling which banned her from sending him for trial because he has paranoid schizophrenia.

But the British-born Islamist’s lawyers appealed against her decision in the High Court.

And judges yesterday ruled he cannot be flown to the US until the court has cast-iron assurances that he will be treated in a specialist psychiatric hospital and not prison.

The Lord Chief Justice Lord Thomas and Mr Justice Mitting delayed a final decision on Aswat’s fate for 60 days pending the US response.

But delivering his judgement Lord Thomas said he had reached his conclusion “only because of the approach taken by the Strasbourg court”.

Using diplomatic language, the furious judge said: “This case involved an intensive and difficult fact-finding exercise. I would respectfully venture to suggest that for the future such fact-finding exercises are best undertaken by a national court.

“A national court is much better equipped to hear the evidence and clarify difficulties through a trial process conducted by a national judge.”

Lord Thomas said that because the case involved an assessment of Aswat’s serious mental illness, it “illustrates a substantial difficulty that can arise when such a fact-finding exercise is undertaken by the Strasbourg court in place of the national court”.

Aswat, 39, from Dewsbury, Yorks, was suspected of having links to the 7/7 London suicide bombers but was never charged with any offences.

He is accused by the US of conspiring with Hamza to establish a jihadi training camp in Oregon.

Hamza was extradited to the US in 2012 with four other terrorism suspects and is currently on trial there.

Last night, Jack Hart of campaign group The Freedom Association said: “This is yet another example of the European Court of Human Rights interfering in UK justice.”

A Home Office spokesman said: “We have noted the High Court’s judgment and shall consider the issues raised as a matter of urgency.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/470...jihadist-to-US

[andy222]

27% of Bradford's population are of Asian origin...ie, Indian Subcontinent.

25% are Muslim. (2012 figures).

Bradford also has the youngest population in Yorkshire (average age 34 yrs).

This presumably has something to do with having 6 or 8 kids at a time.

Where do you get those figures from Graham? Last time I went to Bradford it seemed much higher than that.

[grahamw48]

Just google, as I did Andy (census).

I suppose it depends which areas of Bradford you've been to.

You can get the impression that you're in Pakistan sometimes, I must admit.

I've been working in and around that area since 1971.

[les_taxi]

The figures are without a doubt wrong i unfortunately have to go there sometimes and on the streets it appears 70% Muslim.

[grahamw48]

Are you, like me, always relieved to be leaving the place too ?

[les_taxi]

Oh yes, Leeds is changing fast too - Horrible
York and Harrogate are very lucky (for now)

[tiger31]

Oh yes, Leeds is changing fast too - Horrible
York and Harrogate are very lucky (for now)

they can,t afford to live in harrogate les lol but i,m sure they will arrive sooner or later

[tiger31]

If the public were to go and visit some of these places maybe they would be able to understand why immigration has suddenly become the number one topic of discussion in politics.sitting in your suburban semi you can,t possibly understand how many people are affected by mass invasion of some of the towns and cities around the country .we must get real our country is bursting at the seams its time to stem the tide and cap immigration to a manageable level.

[grahamw48]

they can,t afford to live in harrogate les lol but i,m sure they will arrive sooner or later

Plenty in York now....first moved into all the local corner shops/off-licences/post offices, as per usual MO.

[tiger31]

Plenty in York now....first moved into all the local corner shops/off-licences/post offices, as per usual MO.

Thats a racist comment graham repent your sins

[les_taxi]

Trouble is that they have changed. They were happy to be here, have their corner shop and integrate. Now the newer generations want more and more. I would go nuts if we ever got a mosque in Harrogate belting out the call to prayer . i would rip the bloody speakers off if it woke me up if i had worked late!

[Dedworth]

Trouble is that they have changed. They were happy to be here, have their corner shop and integrate. Now the newer generations want more and more. I would go nuts if we ever got a mosque in Harrogate belting out the call to prayer . i would rip the bloody speakers off if it woke me up if i had worked late!

Tut tut Les we are living in multicultural Britain now and the bleeding heart handwringers expect us to do the integrating accepting stone age practices as the norm. This is why Bottler Brown called that lady in Rochdale a racist and why the teachers want ramadan to be a reason to take holidays in term time and appeal against poor exam results.

I'm not sure what Joe & Andy's take is on this but many of their bruvvers favour bending over backwards for the minority at the expense of the indigenous population

[grahamw48]

Certain 'communities' are not required to obey the laws in this country now, it would appear.

This is how ill-feeling is built up and future conflict almost guaranteed.... and that's before the different religious sub-groups that have been brought to this country start fighting each other of course. Iraq and Syria are a fine examples of that.

All of this could have been avoided, but no, the naive fools who continue to throw down the welcome mat will just not be told.