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10th December 2013 #91
Well a couple of you on here thinks the Marine got what he deserved,counting the against votes,the vast majority on this forum disagree,in normal war situation like the 2nd world war I would tend to agree it was wrong,but with the Taliban where they observe no Geneva convention and if fact are totally opposite in morals,(beheading,eating someones heart etc) then the rules are out of the window.I repeat again that the Taliban was already shot by the Helicopter (whose main aim was to destroy the enemy) the soldier finished him off.
Makes sense to me and since he had been shot by an Apache it was probably the most humane thing to do.
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10th December 2013 #92
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10th December 2013 #93
Maybe we should fire Flumps at the Enemy and and shoot them with Malteser's
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10th December 2013 #95
I really don't understand some of the people on this forum. The marine executed a wounded man in cold blood. The British Army WAS on a moral plateau higher than the enemy, in this case The Taliban, which thanks to the stupidity of this one marine has now been eroded. Cold blooded murder of any sort is a crime and when found guilty in a court of law, should be punishable. Nobody, soldier or whatever should be considered above the law.
Article three of the Geneva convention rules that members of the armed forces who have laid down their arms or who cannot fight due to sickness, wounds or detention should be "treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria".
To this end, it is prohibited to pass sentences on prisoners or carry out executions without a constituted court judgement. Prisoners may not be harmed, degraded, humiliated or taken hostage.
Under the convention, the wounded and sick should be collected and cared for by an impartial humanitarian body, such as the Red Cross.
Anybody who thinks that is wrong, in my mind, is no better than the likes of the Nazis or Japanese who treated jews and our soldiers so badly during the second world war and must have a complete lack of compassion for fellow human beings.
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10th December 2013 #96
That's you and me busted dedworth lol
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10th December 2013 #98Under the convention, the wounded and sick should be collected and cared for by an impartial humanitarian body, such as the Red Cross.
Anybody who thinks that is wrong, in my mind, is no better than the likes of the Nazis or Japanese who treated jews and our soldiers so badly during the second world war and must have a complete lack of compassion for fellow human beings.
Joe does not like what ifs but I'm going to say it again.
We let the wounded Terrorist off,he recovers and masterminds a plot to blow up a plane/Planes carrying civilians in,how would you feel then?
Ok far fetched but just to prove a point.
It's not a Normal war with normal rules and joe and Lordna you keep quoting laws/rules etc,sometimes rules have to be looked at and individual cases dealt with compassionately.
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10th December 2013 #99
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Well summed up Les
Think how many innocent lives would have been saved in N Ireland and on the mainland from terrorist attacks had the Army been allowed to fight without one hand tied behind the back and the rules of engagement in the other.
A classic example of defeating terrorists never for them to rise again was Malaya 1950 - 60 where the army was allowed to get on with it and captured terrorists were often quickly executed following conviction.
The people of present day Malaysia will be grateful that apologists and hand wringers weren't in positions of power back then or they'd be under a communist dictatorship today
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Quite right Dedworth.
We were living in Malaya from 1955-1958, and because we were 'off-base', my dad was permitted to take a GUN home with him with which to protect his family !
I also remember that for a while our school bus was equipped with wire mesh over the windows, plus an armed guard carried.
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10th December 2013 #101
Thats my last statement on this subject-time to get xmasy Ho friggin Ho
I will not in anyway change my mind,he should not be jailed end of.
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10th December 2013 #102
So he brought the game into disrepute. Doesn't deserve jail though. Fine him a week's wages and give him a one battle suspension.
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10th December 2013 #103
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A more fitting punishment is the one regularly meted out by leftist blame dodging public sector senior management to miscreants (example of typical offence letting NHS patients die whilst they chased targets ) - "words of advice" followed by redeployment to a higher paid post down the road.
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10th December 2013 #110Nobody was letting a terrorist off, had he lived then no doubt he would have been tried and sentenced.
As for trying and sentencing we can't even trust half the Afghan police not to shoot our boys!
Your living in Airy fairy land,I bet if you were out there in fear of your life you would not be so keen to Damn the marine
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10th December 2013 #113
Yes the same group of people that mutilate their own,behead people,try to kill as many western civilians as possible-lovely bunch of guys.
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10th December 2013 #114
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10th December 2013 #116
Ok Lordna we leave this discussion there,merry xmas
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10th December 2013 #117
Not when you make statments like you did no
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10th December 2013 #118
OK i'm going to bed....probably my last word on the subject...Don't all cheer at once!
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10th December 2013 #119
I'm happy to see this thread closed if Dedworth is,run it's course and is only aggravating now
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11th December 2013 #120
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I'm happy to see it closed Les I've run out of sickbags reading the Fifth Columnist comments here.
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