Unite in Unemployment - Grangemouth

[gWaPito]

did you read the thread
2.5 million unemployed, 500,000 jobs
never mind part time, they would have to be quarter time for 2.5m to do .5m jobs

That's a terrible attitude Joe. ..let's put these figures into perspective shall we. ..2.5 million unemployed out of a population of 63 million and rising. ...remember, when I started working back in 76 I was facing the same problems as today. ..youth unemployment has always been a big bear for every Government throughout the ages. ..I wonder why. ..maybe something to do with no experience of anything. ..I took crappie jobs to get that experience. .rest is history. ...We got folks now who won't belittle themselves doing that. ..much easier picking up fat benefit cheques with the option of nipping down the local food bank. ..disgraceful. ..I'm afraid too many unemployed thinking far too much of themselves these days. .

[joebloggs]

This is what Margaret Thatcher rewarded. ..folks who got off their lazy backsides and got stuck in

thatcher rewarded people with record levels of unemployment, now that's one way of getting people off their backsides

[andy222]

Thats not enough Mark.

[andy222]

Defending my partner he asked a straightforward question and you did not answer it completely.. This site has got to be the best on the internet for entertainment and advice.

[SimonH]

Defending my partner he asked a straightforward question and you did not answer it completely.. This site has got to be the best on the internet for entertainment and advice.

Tooche Sir
But, with all due respect to you and your partner the straightforward question asked was in reference to my question to you, which was not interpreted correctly. I therefore pointed your partner back to my original question rather rather answer an incorrect one

P.s. no charge........... this time

[andy222]

Completely means all the answer my friend and I would expect you to provide who was in power at that time with your amount of knowledge.

[Dedworth]

The Grangemouth Workers should leave the Unite Union - Communist McCluskey doesn't represent them he only pursues his own extremist agenda

[joebloggs]

The Grangemouth Workers should leave the Unite Union - Communist McCluskey doesn't represent them he only pursues his own extremist agenda

he didn't seem to be like that when i watched him on the news, it looked like he was doing all he could to save the jobs

[Dedworth]

he didn't seem to be like that when i watched him on the news, it looked like he was doing all he could to save the jobs

There was me thinking McCluskey brought them out on strike because he thought Ineos were treating a single member Union Gauletier Deans unfairly - they wanted to investigate whether the shenanigins he was up to in Labours Falkirk election candidate fixing project contravened his role as a convener http://www.scotsman.com/news/grangem...rawl-1-3153945

Red Len "saved" some well paid jobs though - The union has accepted a three-year pay freeze and committed not to strike during that period. It also agreed to scrap gold-plated ‘final salary’ pension schemes for staff, who earn an average salary of £55,000.

[joebloggs]

is this simple enough for you, no i cannot, so can you tell me ?

give me a simple reply back

what i can definitely tell you it wasn't under thatcher

[SimonH]

is this simple enough for you, no i cannot, so can you tell me ?

give me a simple reply back

what i can definitely tell you it wasn't under thatcher

Yep, all understood thanks

Simple reply.......

wait for it...



nearly there....




the answer is......


No

[grahamw48]

Can anybody tell me when 'government figures' were ever accurate ?

[joebloggs]

Can anybody tell me when 'government figures' were ever accurate ?

the ONS is independent but reports directly to Parliament. thou I'm sure govs have picked which bits of reports they like to publish and try to hide other parts which they don't

[grahamw48]

Let's be honest, if someone wants to work ENOUGH, they'll find a job.

[joebloggs]

Let's be honest, if someone wants to work ENOUGH, they'll find a job.

so 2.5m don't want to work
try and live on benefits

[robbie bobby]

so 2.5m don't want to work
try and live on benefits

Joe you are right in a way.There are quite a lot of people who would love a job and cannot find one.There are also those who cant afford to get a job as it would pay less than the benefits they recieve due to family size etc.My dad looked for job for 15 years and could not get one.He was a postmaster.The age thing is also a factor.These days companies like to employ nice young types with lots of degrees so the older ones are pretty much screwed.As I said before it is an employers market these days and will continue to be so for a while yet.I have read in the news there is going to be another bad recession next year again.I was always lucky to have a job and I have been on benefits before and its not very nice but as someone said to me a while back."keep knocking on the doors and at some point it will come good"Thats what I did and I have been blessed.I do realise that jobs are hard to come by these days and whoever has a job should be grateful to have one

[grahamw48]

Joe you are right in a way.There are quite a lot of people who would love a job and cannot find one.There are also those who cant afford to get a job as it would pay less than the benefits they recieve due to family size etc.My dad looked for job for 15 years and could not get one.He was a postmaster.The age thing is also a factor.These days companies like to employ nice young types with lots of degrees so the older ones are pretty much screwed.As I said before it is an employers market these days and will continue to be so for a while yet.I have read in the news there is going to be another bad recession next year again.I was always lucky to have a job and I have been on benefits before and its not very nice but as someone said to me a while back."keep knocking on the doors and at some point it will come good"Thats what I did and I have been blessed.I do realise that jobs are hard to come by these days and whoever has a job should be grateful to have one

I would certainly agree with the 'ageism' factor Robbie.

[gWaPito]

so 2.5m don't want to work
try and live on benefits

In a nutshell. ..yes
the benefits are ample if you don't smoke drink and keep dogs... Period
I believe you can get vitamin supplements as well free

[grahamw48]

In a nutshell. ..yes
the benefits are ample if you don't smoke drink and keep dogs... Period
I believe you can get vitamin supplements as well free

Along with MANY other freebies and concessions.

[grahamw48]

Joe, I have.

I also used to work at the 'dole' office, and my current job takes me into the homes of people on every kind of benefit (the details of which I'm required to check), every day of the week....and has done so for the past 10 years.

[grahamw48]

Perhaps fewer Europeans and illegals, nicking our jobs ?

[SimonH]

Perhaps fewer Europeans and illegals, nicking our jobs ?

Ah, but by the time Labour get back in power (if they do), they may already be here, so it'll be against their 'uman rights innit

[joebloggs]

well as I've posted today, the facts show you unemployment has been lower under labour than the Tories and they had grow in GDP every year , except when there was a world wide banking crash, unlike the Tories GDP fluctuation and record levels of unemployment !

oh and lets hope the next labour gov take 1m kids back out of poverty again

1.1m children forecast to fall back into poverty - wiping out a decade of gains

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...-of-gains.html

[grahamw48]

Yes, life was just great under Labour....living on all that borrowed money.

...giving everybody subsidised employment, making houses 'affordable' with silly (and often fraudulent) mortgages, so that prices went up at a ridiculous rate....so that few can afford to buy one now.

Wonderful for those sitting pretty in their property now of course.

SOMEONE always has to pay in the end.

[joebloggs]

Yes, life was just great under Labour....living on all that borrowed money.

...giving everybody subsidised employment, making houses 'affordable' with silly (and often fraudulent) mortgages, so that prices went up at a ridiculous rate....so that few can afford to buy one now.

Wonderful for those sitting pretty in their property now of course.

SOMEONE always has to pay in the end.

and life was good under thatcher selling everything off to pay the debts
not selling but giving away, selling £10 notes for a £5
how many billions were lost due to under valuing the companies she sold off
how many of these BRITISH companies are now owned by foreign companies

yes someone paid in the end, the British companies were owned by the tax payer but not any longer

[SimonH]

Actually what you posted earlier was a bar chart of figures from the early 80's to the late 90's, what about the rest of that century and the first part of this

[grahamw48]

Shame Labour didn't feel the urge to do anything about it later then, in THEIR 13 years of power.

[joebloggs]

Shame Labour didn't feel the urge to do anything about it later then, in THEIR 13 years of power.

maybe you dont know
they brought in the minimum wage , what did businesses and the Tories say, it would cost millions of jobs as you've seen unemployment was lower under labour.

they took a million kids out of poverty

now i'm sure you agree both of these Graham were good things

[les_taxi]

maybe you dont know
they brought in the minimum wage , what did businesses and the Tories say, it would cost millions of jobs as you've seen unemployment was lower under labour.

they took a million kids out of poverty

now i'm sure you agree both of these Graham were good things

Yes and we will be paying for it for 20 years
Borrow your way out of it all is not the way simple economics

[grahamw48]

maybe you dont know
they brought in the minimum wage , what did businesses and the Tories say, it would cost millions of jobs as you've seen unemployment was lower under labour.

they took a million kids out of poverty

now i'm sure you agree both of these Graham were good things

I would rather they'd kicked out the millions they allowed in to destroy our country and way of life, never mind paying for idiots to breed more idiots.