Unite in Unemployment - Grangemouth

[Dedworth]

You will be ok Ded come January when your government brings your romaniian friends here. It will put a smile on your face.. Mind you it will keep me in a job more people to treat.

Joes local University has just indentified that The White Gypsy or Irish Traveller group has particularly poor health.
Both men and women have twice the White British rates
of limiting long-term illness, and at each age they are the
group most likely to be ill. http://www.ethnicity.ac.uk/census/Co...s-Briefing.pdf

No doubt your socialist senior management will be giving them priority treatment

[andy222]

Joes local University has just indentified that The White Gypsy or Irish Traveller group has particularly poor health.
Both men and women have twice the White British rates
of limiting long-term illness, and at each age they are the
group most likely to be ill. http://www.ethnicity.ac.uk/census/Co...s-Briefing.pdf

No doubt your socialist senior management will be giving them priority treatment

But of course Ded.

[gWaPito]

And dipping into their pensions is really going to boost their morale isnt it Les.?

Strange how some still can't see further than the end of their nose ....surely better to have less pension and keep their jobs than no jobs at all. ...especially if one is not willing to move to a different part of the UK to get work

[joebloggs]

- so that gives them a god given right to be immune from belt tightening does it ?

dedworth, you must have been to A&E, I'm not talking about for a few stitches, but where the doctor tells you to come into a room, then tells you your relative has got little chance of pulling thru, you think your up to doing that? I've been there twice, i don't care what they earn, no one can say they don't earn their wage unlike many people

well cameron's bullingdon mates got a 10% tax cut, so who's belt are we talking about

[joebloggs]

Strange how some still can't see further than the end of their nose ....surely better to have less pension and keep their jobs than no jobs at all. ...especially if one is not willing to move to a different part of the UK to get work

tell me gWapito, how many unemployed people are there in the UK and how many job vacancies there are in the UK?

[bigmarco]

Strange how some still can't see further than the end of their nose ....surely better to have less pension and keep their jobs than no jobs at all. ...especially if one is not willing to move to a different part of the UK to get work

No way I've never had to strike over money but I'd strike for a month to protect my pension
I feel sorry for a Police Sergeant mate of mine who's just had his pension terms changed. He says he'll have to work an extra 4 years to get the equivalent pension he was on before.

[SimonH]

tell me gWapito, how many unemployed people are there in the UK and how many job vacancies there are in the UK?

There are 2.52 million unemployed, how many of those are actually looking for work is unknown, but there are 503,000 job vacancies according to the latest statistics. The highest since 2008

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/la...mployment.html

[grahamw48]

It's matching the right people to the right jobs that is the hard part (and the most remunerative, which is probably why the country is overflowing with recruitment agency parasites )....setting aside those who have no intention of working.

[grahamw48]

morning dedworth, well seeing you never talk to them , l'll give you an idea ..

5yrs at med school
2yrs foundation (fy1 ans fy2)

then the shortest path to getting on the specialist register is

GP 3yrs training

longest
surgery etc 7yrs of training

so the shortest time it takes to earn £67,000 is 10yrs of endless studying, exams and fee's -

the longest 14 long years, oh and it doesnt work out like that, your be lucky to find a ST post every year to carry on training

so the youngest someone could be a GP is 28, that takes a lot of sacrifice and commitment, like teachers its not just a 9 to 5 job

Joe, do you not think that lots of other occupations require many years of work and learning before (possibly) meriting a salary of £67,000...plus other benefits ? Not to mention, unsocial hours.

[Dedworth]

Joe, do you not think that lots of other occupations require many years of work and learning before (possibly) meriting a salary of £67,000...plus other benefits ? Not to mention, unsocial hours.

My mates school foolishly took on a 25 year old as Head of Chemistry starting this term on £50k plus 12 weeks holiday - 6 weeks on she's been found to be incapable of teaching A Level Chemistry. Can't sack her though so she's "teaching" BTEC Science - nice work if you can get it

[Doc Alan]

To be fair, the majority of people are doing valuable and often extremely skilled work that has taken many years to learn, whether in factories or as 'professionals'.

Our good doctors would for instance have to fashion their own scalpels if it weren't for the skilled 'lesser important' people making them.

Agreed !


I couldn't have survived without nurses and lab technicians


Seriously, I should abstain from this discussion, now that I'm retired and, through changed personal circumstances, had to tighten my own belt ( no car, rented accommodation ).


Also on a serious note, I respect many other friends and relatives whose work is nothing to do with healthcare. That includes Forum members .

[grahamw48]

[Dedworth]

Grangemouth dispute: Ineos says plant will stay open


http://filipinaroses.com/showthread....ngemouth/page3

Daily Record Headline - A great victory for Len McCluskey and Alex Salmond

[grahamw48]

I've been to that plant...in 1972.

[gWaPito]

tell me gWapito, how many unemployed people are there in the UK and how many job vacancies there are in the UK?

There are more employed people now than that there was under Labour

There are more job vacancies now than what there was under Labour

The latest GDP figures don't tell lies. .unlike your beloved Millipede

[Dedworth]

There are more employed people now than that their was under Labour

There are more job vacancies now than what their was under Labour

The latest GDP figures don't tell lies. .unlike your beloved Millipede

On the subject of beloved Labour Gwap we should never forget that whilst an uncontrolled tsunami of unskilled immigrants was allowed to sweep into the country this bloke stood up and spoke :-

[gWaPito]

On the subject of beloved Labour Gwap we should never forget that whilst an uncontrolled tsunami of unskilled immigrants was allowed to sweep into the country this bloke stood up and spoke :-

The British folks brown nose is talking is the ones yet to be shipped over and go through the inconvenience of getting an ILR and British Citizenship

[robbie bobby]

I had to leave mainland UK to get a decent job paying decent wages.Every job interview I went to there was at least triple if not quadruple the number of Europeans to British applying for the job and to be honest they some of them were 4 times as qualified too!

It was an employees market only but a few years ago but now unfortunately employers can take their pick from a pool of many Europeans and british [QUOTE=gWaPito;465711]The British folks brown nose is talking is the ones yet to be shipped

[Michael Parnham]

Strange how some still can't see further than the end of their nose ....surely better to have less pension and keep their jobs than no jobs at all. ...especially if one is not willing to move to a different part of the UK to get work

I'll second that Mark!

[andy222]

On the subject of beloved Labour Gwap we should never forget that whilst an uncontrolled tsunami of unskilled immigrants was allowed to sweep into the country this bloke stood up and spoke :-

Roll the red carpet out for your romanian friends Ded.

[robbie bobby]

I DONT THINK THEY WILL BE RECEIVED WITH OPEN ARMS LIKE THE LAST WAVE OF EUROPEANS

[andy222]

The fact still remains that this government is hellbent in letting them in. There must be some logic in it somewhere. Maybe Ded can email his Theresa and tell us why?

[robbie bobby]

It would not be so bad if we could go there and get the same kind of benefits and perks as they do when they come here but alas Its all going to pot and in some years to come there will be a revolt.Its only a matter of time

The fact still remains that this government is hellbent in letting them in. There must be some logic in it somewhere. Maybe Ded can email his Theresa and tell us why?

[andy222]

Totally agree Bobby.

[andy222]

There are 2.52 million unemployed, how many of those are actually looking for work is unknown, but there are 503,000 job vacancies according to the latest statistics. The highest since 2008

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/lms/la...mployment.html

And you believe that?

[grahamw48]

[robbie bobby]

Its the same everywhere as far as jobs are concerned.Its not what you know but who you know and wherever you go in the world its exactly the same.I know of many jobs that come up e.g civil government jobs,council jobs etc which are already filled before they are advertised.You gotta be in with the right bunch.It does not matter about qualifications by enlarge.Lots of companies would much rather use an agency these days so they have no obligation to pay for sickness,holidays and the like.If you actually look at Emplyment agencies there are up 100 fold plus from 10 years ago.

And you believe that?

[Dedworth]

I DONT THINK THEY WILL BE RECEIVED WITH OPEN ARMS LIKE THE LAST WAVE OF EUROPEANS

I'm afraid Andys selective memory conveniently forgets Labours estimates of 5 - 13000 Eastern Europeans coming in per year 2003 onwards - but it's OK we can pretend it didn't happen just like Labours former chums the city slickers and bankers in 2008. Thatcher - school milk, miners, Falklands that's different history of course and must never be forgotten

[SimonH]

And you believe that?

Why wouldn't I believe it, don't you

The figures come from the office of national statistics, an independent body

Proof:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_...nal_Statistics


Please come back and prove me wrong, and therefore proving Labour to be a bunch of liars

[Rosie1958]

Its the same everywhere as far as jobs are concerned.Its not what you know but who you know and wherever you go in the world its exactly the same.I know of many jobs that come up e.g civil government jobs,council jobs etc which are already filled before they are advertised.You gotta be in with the right bunch.It does not matter about qualifications by enlarge.Lots of companies would much rather use an agency these days so they have no obligation to pay for sickness,holidays and the like.If you actually look at Emplyment agencies there are up 100 fold plus from 10 years ago.

I agree that it is always helpful to "know" the right people. Many employers deal with Employment Agencies these days because it's quicker to recruit temporary (to permanent) employees in this way and easier to "get rid" if the employee turn out to be unsuitable. In my experience, holiday pay is always factored into the hourly rate paid by the employer to the agency who then pay it to the employee.