If an election were held tomorrow, Ed Miliband would win by a landslide

[SimonH]

Joe, unless you are a politician you've obviously missed your vocation in life.

It's quite simple really, firstly when was the NHS privatised?
Secondly when did I say there wasn't a problem which you've stated I did.
Simple questions, I'd appreciate a direct answer rather than answering with another question on my thoughts about privatisation.

[joebloggs]

i didn't say it was , yet, Andy did, maybe he made a mistake typing his post
but your if you think it is slowly not, years ago, the dept where my misses worked, they had to put a bid in to keep carrying out the service, and other private companies put bids in to , whats that if its not privatization ?

anyway, i could put 100's of links showing cuts, closures and privatization , find me one where it says its not

any way Sir, its been good to you, but i've got to get up at 4am to get to work , so i bid you goodnight

[grahamw48]

and the Tories are not to blame for the yuppies and greed of the 80's ?

Labour’s 9th June 1983 Manifesto: The longest suicide note in history or 30 years before its time?

http://kmflett.wordpress.com/2013/06...fore-its-time/

Frankly Joe, it's totally irrelevant what went on in 1983 (when I was doing very nicely thankyou).

History.

During their LAST 13 year spell in government the Labour party...or that stoopid name 'New Labour', had every opportunity to mould this country in whatever way they wished.

At the end of their reign of raiding the public purse and squandering taxpayers' money on wasteful and useless projects (true to form), as well as opening up our borders to every form of lowlife and human detritus, they left the country virtually bankrupt !

Enough is enough !

With that idiot leader of theirs in charge, they have NO chance of being re-elected, and thank goodness for that !

[les_taxi]

The truth is the Masses will follow like sheep and re-electe Labour,labour will borrow all over again and we will be ....ed.
The reason is no -one likes austerity measures and because the coalition have had to hand out the medicine they will be looked at as the bad boys and so the 'hey it was alight under labour' suckers will vote for them.
There are some clever people on this Forum but i tell you lots of people with shall we say lesser education will not work out why we have been in the cart for the last 6 years and falsely blame the nasty people making them pay for it now.
So short sighted

[London_Manila]

Milipedes Marxist father and the real reason he wants to drag us back to the nightmare 70s

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar....html#comments

Mail reader sums up

Milibands father was a Marxist who was also a millionaire who lived in a mansion ,funny that they live like that and not on a housing estate with the people who they say they care for.

Camerons doing his best to inflate house prices even higher
According to Cameron there is no housing market bubble
The "Help to buy scheme" is ill thought out and will create even more house price inflation
House prices in London are up 8% on last year
A typical Tory vote winning exercise with an election just around the corner

These clowns will employ any tactics just to win a few more votes

[London_Manila]

Frankly Joe, it's totally irrelevant what went on in 1983 (when I was doing very nicely thankyou).

History.

During their LAST 13 year spell in government the Labour party...or that stoopid name 'New Labour', had every opportunity to mould this country in whatever way they wished.

At the end of their reign of raiding the public purse and squandering taxpayers' money on wasteful and useless projects (true to form), as well as opening up our borders to every form of lowlife and human detritus, they left the country virtually bankrupt !

Enough is enough !

With that idiot leader of theirs in charge, they have NO chance of being re-elected, and thank goodness for that !

They never opened up any borders we are part of the European Union remember

Thats why Cameron only ever talks about non European immigration

[Arthur Little]

... and the (Milli)band played on ... ...

... and on ................................................. ... and so ...

... it's goodnight from him (hopefully!) and ...

... it's goodnight from me.

[jonnijon]

I dont live there anymore so I dont give two FFs

[les_taxi]

I dont live there anymore so I dont give two FFs

Best comment on here lol

[grahamw48]

Camerons doing his best to inflate house prices even higher
According to Cameron there is no housing market bubble
The "Help to buy scheme" is ill thought out and will create even more house price inflation
House prices in London are up 8% on last year
A typical Tory vote winning exercise with an election just around the corner

These clowns will employ any tactics just to win a few more votes

Totally agree.

It's more 'social' and lower-priced housing that is needed...for the RIGHT people to live in.

I'm sure many of us have benefitted from rising house prices over the years, but I don't think relying on increasing property values as a form of 'income' and credit has done this country any favours over the past 40+ years.

[joebloggs]

The truth is the Masses will follow like sheep and re-electe Labour,labour will borrow all over again and we will be ....ed.
The reason is no -one likes austerity measures and because the coalition have had to hand out the medicine they will be looked at as the bad boys and so the 'hey it was alight under labour' suckers will vote for them.
There are some clever people on this Forum but i tell you lots of people with shall we say lesser education will not work out why we have been in the cart for the last 6 years and falsely blame the nasty people making them pay for it now.
So short sighted

austerity measures , the only ones who are not suckers are those who got a 10% cut in their tax rate last April

[SimonH]

In easy to explain beardy, beer drinking socialist terms, this is how it works:-

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to £100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this…

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing
The fifth would pay £1
The sixth would pay £3
The seventh would pay £7
The eighth would pay £12
The ninth would pay £18
The tenth man (the richest) would pay £59
So, that’s what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve ball.

“Since you are all such good customers,” he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by £20″. Drinks for the ten men would now cost just £80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men ? How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?

The bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was, to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using, and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.

And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% saving).
The sixth now paid £2 instead of £3 (33% saving).
The seventh now paid £5 instead of £7 (28% saving).
The eighth now paid £9 instead of £12 (25% saving).
The ninth now paid £14 instead of £18 (22% saving).
The tenth now paid £49 instead of £59 (16% saving).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings.

“I only got a pound out of the £20 saving,” declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,”but he got £10!”

“Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only saved a pound too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!”

“That’s true!” shouted the seventh man. “Why should he get £10 back, when I got only £2? The wealthy get all the breaks!”

“Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison, “we didn’t get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!”

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our tax system works. The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

[joebloggs]

In easy to explain beardy, beer drinking socialist terms, this is how it works:-

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to £100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this…

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing
The fifth would pay £1
The sixth would pay £3
The seventh would pay £7
The eighth would pay £12
The ninth would pay £18
The tenth man (the richest) would pay £59
So, that’s what they decided to do.

The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve ball.

“Since you are all such good customers,” he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by £20″. Drinks for the ten men would now cost just £80.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men ? How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share?

The bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by a higher percentage the poorer he was, to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using, and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.

And so the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% saving).
The sixth now paid £2 instead of £3 (33% saving).
The seventh now paid £5 instead of £7 (28% saving).
The eighth now paid £9 instead of £12 (25% saving).
The ninth now paid £14 instead of £18 (22% saving).
The tenth now paid £49 instead of £59 (16% saving).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings.

“I only got a pound out of the £20 saving,” declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,”but he got £10!”

“Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only saved a pound too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!”

“That’s true!” shouted the seventh man. “Why should he get £10 back, when I got only £2? The wealthy get all the breaks!”

“Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison, “we didn’t get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!”

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our tax system works. The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

you've (someone has) posted that before, the Tories said cutting tax for the rich brings more money back to the gov because they spend it well why not do it for everyone then

Cameron said People with “the broadest shoulders should contribute the most”,

if you don't like the rate of tax your paying, why not swap your wage with a shelf stacker

[SimonH]

you've (someone has) posted that before, the Tories said cutting tax for the rich brings more money back to the gov because they spend it well why not do it for everyone then

Cameron said People with “the broadest shoulders should contribute the most”,

if you don't like the rate of tax your paying, why not swap your wage with a shelf stacker

did you read the analogy

What on earth made you jump to the conclusion that I didn't like the rate of tax I am paying

[joebloggs]

did you read the analogy

What on earth made you jump to the conclusion that I didn't like the rate of tax I am paying

no one likes paying tax, poor or rich people

[Michael Parnham]

I'll tell you what, without paying taxes we would be in a right mess!

[bigmarco]

no one likes paying tax, poor or rich people

The only difference is that the poor can't avoid it.
See if you work for Starbucks or Google or Amazon you have it deducted at source (PAYE). Whilst they then employ accountants to make sure they don't pay any tax on the fruits of your hard labour.
I think Mr Google, Starbucks or Amazon was Man number 10 in Simons little story. So in my opinion deserved the kicking he got from the others

[les_taxi]

Love what I heard today that the unemployed benefit spongers - (not ones who look for work) would have to go to jobcentre everyday - lets hope they have Sky plus to record their mates on Jeremy kyle

[andy222]

The problem is people will vote with their feet the tories are hanging themselves wait and see. The bedroom tax for 1 then they are attacking the lower classes and middle classes with kids. Who are they going to vote for? Helping people that work hard what a load of bull . Energy prices going up who are they trying to kid?

[grahamw48]

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[gWaPito]

Conservatives will always have my vote ...as for the bedroom tax That's for folks already in social housing thus living off the hard pressed taxpayer

[gWaPito]

Love what I heard today that the unemployed benefit spongers - (not ones who look for work) would have to go to jobcentre everyday - lets hope they have Sky plus to record their mates on Jeremy kyle

Spot on, Les

[gWaPito]

no one likes paying tax, poor or rich people

Speak for yourself ..I don't mind paying mine...I consider it my biblicial 10% for the greater good

[joebloggs]

Conservatives will always have my vote...as for the bedroom tax That's for folks already in social housing thus living off the hard pressed taxpayer

i am a taxpayer and so is the misses , double
actually there probably is not much difference btw renting privately and from a housing association now, my friend tells me for him its cheaper to go privately , rent automatically increases every year with our housing association.

[gWaPito]

i am a taxpayer and so is the misses , double
actually there probably is not much difference btw renting privately and from a housing association now, my friend tells me for him its cheaper to go privately , rent automatically increases every year with our housing association.

You aint going to made homeless through the association...must be a comforting though before you sleep at night

[SimonH]

i am a taxpayer and so is the misses , double
actually there probably is not much difference btw renting privately and from a housing association now, my friend tells me for him its cheaper to go privately , rent automatically increases every year with our housing association.

Hold the front page, news just in.................if you can be bothered to get a job you will have to pay tax on your earnings.
Other news in today................. tax payers friend is horrified to find out that he has to pay something towards the house he thought he was entitled to for free.
On a brighter note, it has been revealed today that if you get a job, pay taxes, save up and buy a house of your own, then you can avoid these scandalous price increases by having a fixed rate mortgage.

[joebloggs]

You aint going to made homeless through the association...must be a comforting though before you sleep at night

gWaPito, where do you get this from ?
if i pay the rent a week late i get an 'amber letter' and a week later a red one, believe me if you dont pay , like anywhere else your out

[gWaPito]

Hold the front page, news just in.................if you can be bothered to get a job you will have to pay tax on your earnings.
Other news in today................. tax payers friend is horrified to find out that he has to pay something towards the house he thought he was entitled to for free.
On a brighter note, it has been revealed today that if you get a job, pay taxes, save up and buy a house of your own, then you can avoid these scandalous price increases by having a fixed rate mortgage.

[gWaPito]

gWaPito, where do you get this from ?
if i pay the rent a week late i get an 'amber letter' and a week later a red one, believe me if you dont pay , like anywhere else your out

I just woke Joe...i thought it sounded pretty good, myself

I forgot, we cant bluff you.

[joebloggs]

where did i say free he works, many people in housing associations houses do work , what you earn, if your working or not is not a criteria on renting from a housing association , read up on it