Jobless 'To Be Forced To Work' For Benefits

[gWaPito]

I still think there is a real employment problem out there and i would like to know where the Tories think all these jobs are

The Eastern Europeans don't have a problem finding the work...I think best to ask them where the jobs are

[mickcant]

Round here there is always plenty of litter and dog mess left by thoughtless people, that would keep some occupied picking up.
Mick.

[Michael Parnham]

The Eastern Europeans don't have a problem finding the work...I think best to ask them where the jobs are

It appears the British companies are advertising jobs in other European countries in their own language, Tesco is the biggest culprit and others have followed!

[Michael Parnham]

instead of giving them money give food stamps that they cant buy fags or booze with then they will soon look for work if your getting money for nothing why work

I agree Food Stamps for all those who have never worked for generation after generation!

[les_taxi]

The Government would say many haven't paid tax or for that matter ever done a day's work in their sorry littles lives..As for the working class losing their tax credits well, I've never been able to claim that and I'm working class.

What is wrong with doing something worthwhile for the benefits they get?....'They should get min wage' blah blah blah!!...this is the trouble with this country..too many accustomed to living in the money for nothing culture..tell you what, lets stop the money altogether until the abled bodied layabouts manage to drag themselves away from Jeremy Kyle show, pile into a van and go pick litter.

Bang on

[grahamw48]

They've just piled back out of the van after a night nicking copper cable.

[London_Manila]

The Eastern Europeans don't have a problem finding the work...I think best to ask them where the jobs are

Eastern Europeans see our minimum wage as a pay rise and when you are living in over crowded accommodation paying little rent then the minimum wage may be alright

For normal people living with families its just an insult

[London_Manila]

It appears the British companies are advertising jobs in other European countries in their own language, Tesco is the biggest culprit and others have followed!

Cheap labour is all they are
Part of the reason why pay rates are so paltry these days is because this lot will work for peanuts

Another influx in the new year so Fat Cats of industry will not have to increase their rates of pay

[SimonH]

The one country in Europe that appears to be thriving is Germany. Maybe we should follow their example and not have a minimum wage

[joebloggs]

The one country in Europe that appears to be thriving is Germany. Maybe we should follow their example and not have a minimum wage

Eastern European migrant workers face slave labour in Germany


http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013.../germ-a30.html

If Germany’s economic model is the future of Europe, we should all be quite troubled.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4f975822-1...44feabdc0.html

[SimonH]

Eastern European migrant workers face slave labour in Germany


http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013.../germ-a30.html

If Germany’s economic model is the future of Europe, we should all be quite troubled.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4f975822-1...44feabdc0.html

Links to the World Socialist Web Site now they wouldn't be biased would they

I'll take that link and raise you http://www.tradingeconomics.com/germany/gdp-growth
some facts

[Iani]

The problem is that this is just another soundbite from an out of touch government, which they know will be immensely popular.........to those who don't think too hard on what's really going on.

Thing is, everyone knows the despised sub class, who hang around town centres during "working hours" - except they aren't working of course. They always have money for cigs, they always have money to get drunk, or afford a new piece of string for the "staffie".
There they are getting drunk and shouting abuse at their "betters" - in other words just about everyone who is either working or retired.

WE are their employers, because OUR taxes pay for these idle 's to not to have to work. Or they might be on incapacity benefit because they can't work, because a few years ago they hurt their back, or have depression (Guess what, I have an occasional bad back, but I take asprin and go to work, and I used to be on antidepressants, but I took up physical activity, got out, got a life and got over it with the help of friends and a very jovial doctor who was also a bit of a lad and said it as it was).

These people are the ones everyone hates and would like to see the idle parasites be made to work.

But hang one............

1. They might have kids, there is no way they will have benefits cut if this is the case, there is no way they can be turfed out their council houses..........and even if they were, the social would then pay private landlords.

2. Some wouldn't work anyway, they'd just turn to criminal activities.

3. There just isn't the jobs! Who is going to employ a lazy drunk? And don't say they could work for McDonalds etc.........the people working there, some might not be the most intelligent, but they are hard workers, many are students wanting some money and working in a fun vibrant environment for while.....in short, these places deserve better workers than that.

4. So maybe councils could be made to take them on...........ermmmm, then whose current job will be lost, which department already does these jobs and would be displaced in favour of subsidised cheap labour?

One solution would be councils starting up new departments, to scrub pavements of gum, make public parks into pristine places (Which would be a brilliant turnabout as so often our public parks are turned into hellholes by these people hanging around them, they could tidy up the mess instead).........but what would be the cost? This would need supervisors, and people who could handle themselves at that for the inevitable hassle such "employees" would cause.

Then what about the genuine fallen on bad times people? Again jobs aren't exactly plentiful, should they also be forced into this?

Top and bottom of it is, everyone knows the feckless who this should be aimed at, whose only contributions to society are the birth rate, crime rate and benefits bill.
These people though, successive governments just won't tackle, instead they go after easier targets.

Again, it's just a meaningless soundbite

[SimonH]

Excellent post
Long and the short of it............................. castrate the feckless

[gWaPito]

Eastern European migrant workers face slave labour in Germany


http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013.../germ-a30.html

If Germany’s economic model is the future of Europe, we should all be quite troubled.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4f975822-1...44feabdc0.html

No one's forcing these foreigners to go work in Germany for slave labour wages. They could quite simply stay in their own country.

[gWaPito]

For normal people living with families its just an insult

Years ago, in the 40s 50s and to some degree the 60s, that's how us British lived. ..We did rumble together just like they do in these 3rd world countries. ..trouble is, we've become accustomed to living above our means. We've conveniently forgotten where we've come from in such a short space of time. ...people have forgotten how to survive and be happy

[gWaPito]

It appears the British companies are advertising jobs in other European countries in their own language, Tesco is the biggest culprit and others have followed!

I agree Michael.....Even my wife couldn't get a job on the tills.

[gWaPito]

The problem is that this is just another soundbite from an out of touch government, which they know will be immensely popular.........to those who don't think too hard on what's really going on.

Thing is, everyone knows the despised sub class, who hang around town centres during "working hours" - except they aren't working of course. They always have money for cigs, they always have money to get drunk, or afford a new piece of string for the "staffie".
There they are getting drunk and shouting abuse at their "betters" - in other words just about everyone who is either working or retired.

WE are their employers, because OUR taxes pay for these idle 's to not to have to work. Or they might be on incapacity benefit because they can't work, because a few years ago they hurt their back, or have depression (Guess what, I have an occasional bad back, but I take asprin and go to work, and I used to be on antidepressants, but I took up physical activity, got out, got a life and got over it with the help of friends and a very jovial doctor who was also a bit of a lad and said it as it was).

These people are the ones everyone hates and would like to see the idle parasites be made to work.

But hang one............

1. They might have kids, there is no way they will have benefits cut if this is the case, there is no way they can be turfed out their council houses..........and even if they were, the social would then pay private landlords.

2. Some wouldn't work anyway, they'd just turn to criminal activities.

3. There just isn't the jobs! Who is going to employ a lazy drunk? And don't say they could work for McDonalds etc.........the people working there, some might not be the most intelligent, but they are hard workers, many are students wanting some money and working in a fun vibrant environment for while.....in short, these places deserve better workers than that.

4. So maybe councils could be made to take them on...........ermmmm, then whose current job will be lost, which department already does these jobs and would be displaced in favour of subsidised cheap labour?

One solution would be councils starting up new departments, to scrub pavements of gum, make public parks into pristine places (Which would be a brilliant turnabout as so often our public parks are turned into hellholes by these people hanging around them, they could tidy up the mess instead).........but what would be the cost? This would need supervisors, and people who could handle themselves at that for the inevitable hassle such "employees" would cause.

Then what about the genuine fallen on bad times people? Again jobs aren't exactly plentiful, should they also be forced into this?

Top and bottom of it is, everyone knows the feckless who this should be aimed at, whose only contributions to society are the birth rate, crime rate and benefits bill.
These people though, successive governments just won't tackle, instead they go after easier targets.

Again, it's just a meaningless soundbite

Excellent forum post Ian

I've sent you a deserved rep

[joebloggs]

No one's forcing these foreigners to go work in Germany for slave labour wages. They could quite simply stay in their own country.

well being the EU's biggest economy maybe they thought they could get a decent wage there oh hang on, maybe they are copying the worlds second largest economy - China, i wonder if they have unions over there unlike here where even thou's who are against unions still take the benefits the unions fought for

anyway why the should i go and work for benefits I've already paid into , you dont pay twice for anything

[gWaPito]

well being the EU's biggest economy maybe they thought they could get a decent wage there oh hang on, maybe they are copying the worlds second largest economy - China, i wonder if they have unions over there unlike here where even thou's who are against unions still take the benefits the unions fought for

anyway why the should i go and work for benefits I've already paid into , you dont pay twice for anything

and why should i keep paying the taxes I pay month in month out when im not going to get any benefits from...at least hopefully not yet!

It's a cross we all have to carry Joe..It's for King and country

[gWaPito]

They've just piled back out of the van after a night nicking copper cable.

[Dedworth]

No one's forcing these foreigners to go work in Germany for slave labour wages. They could quite simply stay in their own country.

There's a lot of Roma there turning parts of some Ruhr cities into stinking ghetto no go areas. Doing nicely on thieving and benefits, they're not bothered about min wages or not



http://www.euractiv.com/socialeurope...be-news-519520

[gWaPito]

There's a lot of Roma there turning parts of some Ruhr cities into stinking ghetto no go areas. Doing nicely on thieving and benefits, they're not bothered about min wages or not



http://www.euractiv.com/socialeurope...be-news-519520

Nice work if you can get

[SimonH]

This is turning into the Jamie Oliver thread all over again :

[Dedworth]

Nice work if you can get

and their jumped up ambassador here blames UKIP for "racist attacks" on the criminal scum

http://filipinaroses.com/showthread....light=romanian

[joebloggs]

I don't know where you get this 'slave labour' stuff from

The lowest paid fulltime job is £19000....I work for then and I can assure you I earn more than that. So no, cheap labour is'nt what tesco is all about

just after a quick look and one here from £17,500
http://www.tesco-careers.com/job.cfm.../source/TALEO/

lowest listed is £6.50 an hour which is what roughly £12,700 for a 37.5hr week

maybe your on such a good wage becuase of the unions gWaPito

[SimonH]

maybe your on such a good wage becuase of the unions gWaPito

Or maybe (just an off the wall thought) he got off his and did some good old fashioned work, used his initiative, got promoted and therefore paid more. Radical idea I know

[Dedworth]

Or maybe (just an off the wall thought) he got off his and did some good old fashioned work, used his initiative, got promoted and therefore paid more. Radical idea I know

Was that theory promoted in the Guardian or the World Socialist Website Simon ?

[joebloggs]

Or maybe (just an off the wall thought) he got off his and did some good old fashioned work, used his initiative, got promoted and therefore paid more. Radical idea I know

well even thou he's anti-union he sure has benefited from being in a union

why would you join it if you was worse off

many people get off their and work at Tesco, but i wonder how many get paid more than £19k a year

[SimonH]

many people get off their and work at Tesco, but i wonder how many get paid more than £19k a year

At a rough guess.......... all that worked hard and progressed through the company.
Don't take my word for it though http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Tesc...ies-E10250.htm

[Ako Si Jamie]

Thing is, everyone knows the despised sub class, who hang around town centres during "working hours"

Otherwise known as traffic wardens.

WE are their employers, because OUR taxes pay for these idle 's to not to have to work.

Leave the Royal Family out of this!