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28th November 2012 #1
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Minimum price plan to end cheap alcohol sales
Ministers are proposing a minimum price of 45p a unit for the sale of alcohol in England and Wales as part of a drive to tackle problem drinking.
"The Home Office has launched a 10-week consultation on the plan, arguing it will help reduce the levels of ill-health and crime related to alcohol.
It is also considering banning multi-buy promotions, such as two-for-the-price-of-one.
The 45p proposal is 5p higher than the figure suggested by ministers in March.
It comes after pressure has been mounting on the government to follow Scotland's lead, where 50p has been proposed.
The aim of a minimum price would be to alter the cost of heavily-discounted drinks sold in shops and supermarkets. It is not expected to affect the price of drinks in many pubs.
The Home Office said the consultation was targeted at "harmful drinkers and irresponsible shops".
A spokesman added: "Those who enjoy a quiet drink or two have nothing to fear from our proposals."
The 45p minimum would mean a can of strong lager could not be sold for less than £1.56 and a bottle of wine below £4.22."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-20515918
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28th November 2012 #2
Hmm ... difficult one! But, if BOTH the UK and Scottish Governments persist in regularly pushing up the price of tobacco products and preventing stockists giving discounts on bulk purchases - "in the interests of *safeguarding peoples' health" (as EACH *purports!) - then surely it'd be hypocritical of them NOT to do likewise with alcohol ... which is ALSO a health hazard - apart from the misery it causes - when indulged in, to excess.
... just my opinion - NO offence intended!
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I understand where you are coming from there, Arthur. I wonder if it will work though? Will it have the desired effect?
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28th November 2012 #4
My opinion is if they want to do something about it stop selling it in supermarkets and convenience stores. Putting the price up a bit wont make a bit of difference.
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29th November 2012 #5
Great, so because of the idiots who can't take drink, everyone else who is responsible gets punished.
If they wanted to really do something about the idiots, then certain drinks could be taxed to oblivion.
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29th November 2012 #7
maybe they will turn to home brew or meths if its cheaper
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Due to drink and tobacco causing so many health problems, why not a law that self inflicted illness treatment is paid for instead of burdening the NHS finances, any comments?
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29th November 2012 #15
Its happened for years gone by. The problem you have now is the governments have created an environment where they want you to stay at home. I remember the days when you went to the pub to have a drink and socialise. Like everything else you have to blame the decisions of the governments.
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1st December 2012 #16
It isn't necessarily the cheapest drinks though which are bought by the idiots.
Top of my head - say Asda's common 3 for £10 wine offers. They don't sit in town centres drinking Chardonnay!
Louts drink such as Stella, this is quite expensive.
One of the cheapest beers going (Ignoring Tesco Value Lager, which is basically pee put through a soda stream) can be found in Aldi. It comes in small squat bottles, and it's French lager. It costs just over £3 for 12 bottles and is for the price very good. Lidl do a similar German one, which is even better.
This is never drunk by idiots sat in parks causing a disturbance.
I'd still stick by the idea of targetting certain drinks, though the makers of Stella might feel victimised
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1st December 2012 #17
I cant see how tinkering with prices will have any effect.
They should go back to licensing laws in force when I was a teenager, lunchtime and evening and shutting at 10.30 or 11pm.
All the nonsense about people were getting drunk because they were rushing their drinking during the opening hours has been proved to be untrue. Boundaries are needed and should be enforced as there doesn`t seem to be much pride left.
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ahem - it was the Blair/Brown regime that introduced 24 hour boozing coupled with lenient treatment of scumbags
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ng-U-turn.html
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1st December 2012 #23
Maybe but it needs changing.
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1st December 2012 #24
The problem was, Blair went over to the continent, and saw civilised people sat out on warm pavements, drinking a beer or sipping Merlot, and reading the newspapers, whilst street entertainers juggled, the odd busker played the accordion, and families shopped.
He came back and thought if we did that, then it would turn Walsall into Barcelona, instead of people puking in the gutter and picking fights, the Brits would instantly be flocking to art galleries and buy croissants.
He just didn't "get it" that we're talking about cultural issues. Also that successive parties policies of allowing a sub culture of workshy drunk spongers whose only contribution is to the crime rate and birth rate to flourish doesn't help cities.
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1st December 2012 #27
I agree with a return to the old licensing laws. There's 24hr access to drink with these convenience stores now.
They should also tighten the laws up. If their caught selling drink outside the permitted hours then take the licence away.
My other beef is the toe rags drinking on the streets and public transport. Should be banned and restricted to licence premises and your own home.
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2nd December 2012 #28
How about vouchers only 2 per pisshead can be exchanged within 24 hours
You go to counter buy your two vouchers which can only be redeemed in that store and would regulate what you can buy-you could not buy alcohol with cash anywhere
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There's a lot of truth in this.
Behaviours whilst under the influence of alcohol are much more deeply seated in cultural issues than chemical reactions.
Brits globally have problems with alcohol and behaviour.
IHMO the solution is educationally based not economically based.
Pricing policies will never work
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