Straw that breaks the camels back??????????

[Tawi2]

UK NEWS


EU MIGRANTS TO GET BRITISH PENSIONS




Wednesday July 13 2011 by Alison Little


BRITAIN could be forced to pay out millions of pounds a year in pensions to foreigners who have never worked here thanks to the EU, it emerged yesterday.

The move, which will enrage millions of taxpayers, comes after the Government received a “threatening” letter from Brussels that the UK should not deny benefits to those from other EU countries.
It came to light after a pensioner who arrived in Britain as an asylum-seeker from Latvia 11 years ago and has never worked here took the Government to court for refusing to top up her tiny homeland state pension of £50 a week to a British one of around £130 a week.


Employment Minister Chris Grayling said last night he was concerned at the way the EU Commission and European Court of Justice were putting pressure on governments to pay benefits to foreign nationals who had never paid taxes in their adopted countries.

We shouldn’t be in a position where we have to pay benefits to people who come to the UK who have never worked here

Chris Grayling



The EU challenge could open the floodgates to massive new demands, said Conservative MP Anne Main, who raised the case at Westminster.
The revelation will fuel support for the Daily Express’s massively popular crusade to get Britain out of the EU.
Mr Grayling said: “We are extremely concerned that what is happening is that the European Court of Justice and lawyers in the European Commission are increasingly forming the view that freedom of movement rules should allow EU citizens much greater access to benefit systems when they move from country to country.
“When member states are having to cut back their budgets at home, this is something that is clearly going to be politically unacceptable to the citizens of those countries.



“It would mean a potential cost of hundreds of millions of pounds a year for several member states. It’s becoming an increasing matter of concern for a number of member states.”
Last month Britain led a group of 13 governments to protest to the EU Commission and call for a proper debate to establish “clear and sensible rules” on benefits.
Mr Grayling said: “We all accept that if someone comes here from another country, works and pays tax and National Insurance and loses their job, it is reasonable we should support them. We shouldn’t be in a position where we have to pay benefits to people who come to the UK who have never worked here.”
Recently the German and Dutch governments lost the argument over foreigners keeping benefit payments after retiring to their own countries.
The Department for Work and Pensions confirmed it has received a letter from the EU Commission over foreign nationals’ access to means-tested benefits in other countries.
Mrs Main said she feared Britain’s over-stretched pension resources could come under pressure after the court case of 72-year-old Galina Patmalniece, who came to Britain in 2000 after working for 40 years in Latvia. Her claim for asylum in the UK on the grounds she faced persecution at home as an ethnic Russian was refused but no effort was made to deport her and she reportedly even acquired a council flat.
In what Mrs Main branded a “staggering case of opportunistic lifestyle enhancement”, Ms Patmalniece then sought, after Latvia joined the EU in 2004, to boost her £50-a-month state pension by applying for Britain’s means-tested state pension credit, to top it up to around £130 a week. When this was refused, she took the Government to court, claiming it had breached EU law by discriminating against her on grounds of nationality.
In March Britain’s Supreme Court upheld the Government’s decision to withhold the benefit on the grounds she did not have the right to be here.
But Mrs Main told MPs: “The European Commission may decide that it wishes to challenge this and bring an infringement action against Britain in the European Court of Justice. The Commission has already written to our Government expressing unhappiness over our approach as well as over other restrictions in the access of EU nationals to benefits and I believe the letter was described as being of quite a threatening nature.”
She praised the Daily Express for raising concerns over issues such as paying British child benefit to foreign children who have never lived here if a parent is working in the UK.
She said Britain was seen as “a soft touch” in Europe for the way other EU citizens could get access to our generous benefits. “Can the British taxpayer with a massive budget deficit afford to be so generous with its benefit payments system for everyone who tries to claim it? Are we the benefit pot for the EU or for the UK, and do we through our lax approach encourage benefit tourism?” she said.

[grahamw48]

Just tell the EU to .... off !


You know what the REAL problem is ?

Too many bureaucrats/officials/parasites making a living out of all these rules and regulations

THAT is what thwarts any efforts from our already pathetic MPs.

[Englishman2010]

[Arthur Little]

UK NEWS


EU MIGRANTS TO GET BRITISH PENSIONS




Wednesday July 13 2011 by Alison Little


BRITAIN could be forced to pay out millions of pounds a year in pensions to foreigners who have never worked here thanks to the EU, it emerged yesterday.

... EU MUST be ing! And I'm ashamed that someone bearing MY surname should even associate herself with a report ... such as the one referred to.

[Moy]

that particular thing was the final thing that caused things to fall apart, stop working, or someone has had enough of something.

[Arthur Little]

Just tell the EU to .... off !

GLADLY, Graham ... how I wish it WOULD do just THAT ...

[Arthur Little]

You know what the REAL problem is ?

... THAT ... joining the 'European Common Market' business ... was, by far, the BIGGEST BLUNDER any of this country's governments EVER made - and look where it's landed us since!

[Dedworth]

Laughable - ship her back to Latvia and if that nation is guilty of abuses then the oh so laudable EU should cancel their membership

[Tawi2]

Could be worse I suppose,we could have also adopted the euro

[Arthur Little]

Too many bureaucrats/officials/parasites making a living out of all these rules and regulations

THAT is what thwarts any efforts from our already pathetic MPs.

ABSOLUTELY! And the man responsible for signing the Treaty back in 1973 is long gone ... but the legacy of his misguided lack of foresight lives on ... ad infinitum!

[joebloggs]

asylum-seeker from Latvia
i thought you had to pay NI contribs for at least 30yrs to get a full state pension

why dont they sue the latvian gov becuase they would tell them to

time to pull out of the EU

[joebloggs]

ABSOLUTELY! And the man responsible for signing the Treaty back in 1973 is long gone ... but the legacy of his misguided lack of foresight lives on ... ad infinitum!

i thought the EU was for free trade not immigration, taxes and banning light bulbs

[les_taxi]

The common Market was maybe a good idea back then,but being ruled by Brussels was not part of the deal
We have slowly had our spine removed

[scott&ligaya]

and there is me dutifully topping up my NI contributions for the missing years I was working in Hong Kong to ensure I get my full pension (meagre though it will be by then).!!!!! This is bloody disgraceful and Dedworth is spot on , if Latvia is a human rights abuser kick them out of the EU. It does seem high time we got the heck out of the EU.

[grahamw48]

Don't forget that model of human rights observance, and its bustling muslim population, Turkey is knocking on the door...again and again.

[Arthur Little]

... at least the Conservative spokeswoman has got it right in voicing her concerns ... which, for now, is the "MAIN" thing!

[Terpe]

As I see it, this story is not about the UK state pension which is ONLY payable upon making NI contributions for a specific number of years (30 years is required to enable full state pension to be payable)

It seems to me that this claim was made for Pension Credit.
Pension Credit is a means-tested benefit that allow you to top up your income to some guaranteed minimum level set by the Government. Means what the government says you need to live on.

The Guarantee Credit part is for people over the minimum state pension age.

The Savings Credit paid is paid to people 65 and over‚ who have made some retirement provision (ie savings) in addition to their basic State Pension.

There is no question of State Pension being paid to anyone who does not qualify.

[joebloggs]

even so terpe if you haven't paid anything, you shouldn't expect anything

[Dedworth]

even so terpe if you haven't paid anything, you shouldn't expect anything

Those jumping off the backs of trucks haven't paid anything but they get everything

[tone]

Its another f***ing example of them taking the urine out of the people who have worked their backsides off - what the hell is this government doing, surely they cant accept this?

This is why as soon as possible I wanna get out of this country. thought I'd escaped last year but here I am back...

Makes me mad...

[Terpe]

even so terpe if you haven't paid anything, you shouldn't expect anything

I'm just providing the facts.
It's a means-tested benefit. Doesn't need any contributions.
If anyone wants more info on Pension Credit look here.

Here is an interesting extract:-

You can apply for Pension Credit on your first day of residence if you can show that:

•you have returned to the Common Travel Area (UK, Irish Republic, Jersey, Isle of Man, Guernsey) and you were previously habitually resident there; or
•you or a member of your family is a national of (and has worked in) another European Economic Area (EEA) state.
The EEA comprises Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Republic of Ireland, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, UK, Iceland, Norway and Leichenstein.

As an aside this person's claim was rejected for not meeting all of the requirements.

Just how many other migrants from EU are currently claiming UK Pension Credit is unknown. My guess is that it's quite a number.

[grahamw48]

Makes me mad too.

It's quite simple.

One way or another the govt. will make up your income to a given amount considered by them the minimum to keep you exactly on the poverty line.

Just make sure you've done sod all for most of your life, and paid as little in taxes and NI as possible.

If you're a so-called Asylum seeker (because of the trouble you've caused in your own country), so much the better. You're made for life.

For expert advice on, and years of experience in scrounging and cheating techniques, take a leaf out of your local muslim Asian community, where it is perfectly acceptable for relatives to swap IDs, passports, mortgage docs, qualifications etc...or of course, print their own.

[Terpe]

The sooner our government gets to work on IMPLEMENTING a British Bill of Rights that includes the "benefits system" the better we will ALL be.

To be honest, I doubt it will ever happen. Well not in my lifetime anyway.

[scott&ligaya]

I have an idea, their is an Island for sale in Honda Bay off Puerto Princesa in Palawan, lets club togther and get our wives to buy it, all move there and build our own gated community and F@CK the rest of the world.... Fred you want a a buncg of self builders to supervise.. lots of free beer

[grahamw48]

Damn...need a wife.

[scott&ligaya]

My wife has a cute friend... has her own beauty salon in Puerto Princesa. could be a match lol

[Terpe]

I have an idea, their is an Island for sale in Honda Bay off Puerto Princesa in Palawan, lets club togther and get our wives to buy it, all move there and build our own gated community and F@CK the rest of the world.... Fred you want a a buncg of self builders to supervise.. lots of free beer

Sounds nice
As long as China,Vietnam and Taiwan are not claiming sovereignty

[scott&ligaya]

hehehehehehehe nah, it is on the SULU sea side.

[grahamw48]

My wife has a cute friend... has her own beauty salon in Puerto Princesa. could be a match lol

If she's breathing ...done !

I believe I can be a useful and productive member of our proposed new commune...lots of experience in basic survival techniques (always watch those programmes), DIY (my house is a testament to it), and great social skills (always life and soul of the party while someone else is buying).

[scott&ligaya]

the more I think about this the more I like it... we can ask Doc Alan for medical, we probably have a teacher or two for the little ones, I know we have some engineers, I can source anything lol. we need some good cooks, some tradesmen and Tawi2 for security services LOL and Graham48 to RUN THE BAR lol .. need to think some more about what we need. open to suggestions