Jail this vile piece of rubbish

[les_taxi]

I will not be cowed by the politically-correct brigade, or their hypocritical money-hungry lawyers....not when my heritage is at stake, and my personal safety and that of my family !

There are young British men dying in Iraq and Afghanistan to protect the right to democracy of the people there, yet in our own country the powers-that-be are too naive, or more likely too self-interested to recognise that MY country is being set up as another Bosnia not too far down the line.

Human nature will not be changed by laws, directives and soppy wishful thinking.

Me too Graham

[johncar54]

The young men who are dying in Afghanistan and Iraq are there because mainly the USA supported by the UK Government decided, for reasons not totally apparent as of yet, to invade those countries. In doing so they seemed to fail to comprehend that in doing so they were likely to antagonise certain groups who, correctly of otherwise, would believe the action was specifically against them. When Germany invaded France the French not unreasonably tried to kill Germans.

I am constantly surprised that instead of criticisingly the people who commit atrocities, members of this multicultural forum in particular, put them into 'imaginary' ethnic groups. I live in Spain, I am thankfully aware that I am not grouped as being 'one of those bloody Brits who come over here to rape and kill our girls.' Tony King (a Brit) was condemned not for being British when he was convicted of murdering two Spanish girls, but for being a murderer.

I hope our spouses are not condemned as being 'bloody foreigners who come over to sponge off us' rather than Filipinos who are married to Brits, nor the Brits married to Filipinos living in the Philippines as 'those B.........ds who are taking advantage of our women' even though some fall within that descriptivism.

I have every contempt for anyone who breaks the law. That they maybe from an ethnic or religious group, or look different from us, may be disabled, or not speak English etc. does not put them into a category which should be discriminated against.

One does not have to racist to love their country and to support it.


Human nature will not be changed by laws, directives and soppy wishful thinking.


Nor by being anti anything !

[Arthur Little]

Anyone ... regardless of nationality, ethnic origin or religious persuasion ... who engages in behaviour likely to endanger the lives of decent, law-abiding citizens anywhere should be made to face the consequences of his/her actions. End of story!

[Dedworth]

I will not be cowed by the politically-correct brigade, or their hypocritical money-hungry lawyers....not when my heritage is at stake, and my personal safety and that of my family !

There are young British men dying in Iraq and Afghanistan to protect the right to democracy of the people there, yet in our own country the powers-that-be are too naive, or more likely too self-interested to recognise that MY country is being set up as another Bosnia not too far down the line.

Human nature will not be changed by laws, directives and soppy wishful thinking.

Well said Graham

[johncar54]

Anyone ... regardless of nationality, ethnic origin or religious persuasion ... who engages in behaviour likely to endanger the lives of decent, law-abiding citizens anywhere should be made to face the consequences of his/her actions. End of story!

And Arthur I am sure you would agree that every law abiding citizen has the right not to be categorised.

[Dedworth]

The young men who are dying in Afghanistan and Iraq are there because mainly the USA supported by the UK Government decided, for reasons not totally apparent as of yet, to invade those countries. In doing so they seemed to fail to comprehend that in doing so they were likely to antagonise certain groups who, correctly of otherwise, would believe the action was specifically against them. When Germany invaded France the French not unreasonably tried to kill Germans.

I am constantly surprised that instead of criticisingly the people who commit atrocities, members of this multicultural forum in particular, put them into 'imaginary' ethnic groups. I live in Spain, I am thankfully aware that I am not grouped as being 'one of those bloody Brits who come over here to rape and kill our girls.' Tony King (a Brit) was condemned not for being British when he was convicted of murdering two Spanish girls, but for being a murderer.

I hope our spouses are not condemned as being 'bloody foreigners who come over to sponge off us' rather than Filipinos who are married to Brits, nor the Brits married to Filipinos living in the Philippines as 'those B.........ds who are taking advantage of our women' even though some fall within that descriptivism.

I have every contempt for anyone who breaks the law. That they maybe from an ethnic or religious group, or look different from us, may be disabled, or not speak English etc. does not put them into a category which should be discriminated against.

One does not have to racist to love their country and to support it.


Human nature will not be changed by laws, directives and soppy wishful thinking.


Nor by being anti anything !

I'm thinking of printing this out and hanging it on the nail in my outside kharzi. Until you tossed it in at post 23 there wasn't a mention of "Racist" the thead was about anarchists and students running riot in Central London.

Using 'racist' as a perceived insult at the people who just want to keep society decent is wearing a bit thin.

[johncar54]

ethnic enemy within

Sorry, but that seems to at the very least close to being a racist remark, I used the word 'foreigner' in the context that most references to ethnic groups here SEEM to refer to non indigenous English.

[grahamw48]

It may SEEM that to you.

I have two very brown and very Filipino step-children who I think the world of, not to mention my precious 50% Filipino son.

You are implying that I am a racist, which I most certainly am not.

I'll say it again.
You are confusing certain members' views on certain minority sections of society with racism.

Take the blinkers off and try considering the big picture.

[les_taxi]

It may SEEM that to you.

I have two very brown and very Filipino step-children who I think the world of, not to mention my precious 50% Filipino son.

You are implying that I am a racist, which I most certainly am not.

I'll say it again.
You are confusing certain members' views on certain minority sections of society with racism.

Take the blinkers off and try considering the big picture.

Gorgeous pic Graham

[johncar54]

ethnic enemy within

Graham.

If your children or wife, or mine, were included in a group described as the 'ethnic enemy within' I personally would be very offended as I an sure you would.

I see no acceptable reason in most cases of crime to mention a persons appearance, race or religion.

A person who commits any crime is a criminal, plain and simple. Not a black, brown, Muslim, Filipino etc one.

So fine say those b*******s who burn poppies should rot in hell, but don't say they are part of any group, the majority of whom are decent, law-abiding citizens. Say the laws should be changed to ensure that more people who commit crime get punished if that is what you think and put your effort where your mouth is and go out and lobby those who can change the law. You will have my total support.

And I was not saying your are a racist, but that your remarks may well have been

[grahamw48]

And here...my beautiful fiancee who tragically was killed in an accident...years before I went to the Phils and met the ex.



Guess I'm a real racist.

[grahamw48]

i see no acceptable reason in most cases of crime to mention a persons appearance, race or religion.

So using that logic, the fact that a person is from a minority group has no significance in law then.

[johncar54]

So using that logic, the fact that a person is from a minority group has no significance in law then.

In most cases, Exactly

[grahamw48]

You need to read the employment laws.

[johncar54]

Graham how did I know you were setting a trap !!!!!!!!

But I did say in most cases and we were talking about crime.

.

[grahamw48]

That's ok.

Looking at the fly on the wall cop shows these days, committing crime does seem to have very little to do with appearing in a court of law.

[johncar54]

Looking at it from Spain, thank goodness I don't live in UK, I would agree with you, but don't get me started on the absolute failure of the Criminal, so called, Justice System in UK !!!!!

[Dedworth]

ethnic enemy within

Graham.

If your children or wife, or mine, were included in a group described as the 'ethnic enemy within' I personally would be very offended as I an sure you would.

I see no acceptable reason in most cases of crime to mention a persons appearance, race or religion.

A person who commits any crime is a criminal, plain and simple. Not a black, brown, Muslim, Filipino etc one.

So fine say those b*******s who burn poppies should rot in hell, but don't say they are part of any group, the majority of whom are decent, law-abiding citizens. Say the laws should be changed to ensure that more people who commit crime get punished if that is what you think and put your effort where your mouth is and go out and lobby those who can change the law. You will have my total support.

And I was not saying your are a racist, but that your remarks may well have been

Here we go again this is the same nonsense you came out with in my Insult To Decency thread. I'll take the liberty of copying and pasting what I said then :-


let's assume there is a CCTV image of a black man committing an armed robbery, on the wanted poster would your politically correct Police Force make no mention of the fact that he was ic3 Afro Caribbean and use Photoshop to whitewash his face ?

With regard to the Stockholm suicide bomber the Daily Mail in their report use the words Iraqi-born, Muslim & Islamic. I don't think the Editor will be quaking in his boots waiting for some no win no fee writ to land on his desk Full write up here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...sed-Luton.html

[bornatbirth]

Here we go again this is the same nonsense you came out with in my

one could say the same after reading your posts but one wouldnt be so rude

[Sim11UK]

Dedworth, I "know" you well enough through the forum & I know we've had a run-in, in the past...Even become quite fond of you. Take a lot of what you say with a pinch of salt, at times even agree with you.

But in this case, I agree with johncar & others will too, "the ethnic enemy within" could easily be construed as a racist remark, even if you don't agree? Yeah I know you're going to call me a woolly liberal & I'm really not going to get into an arguement. You'll probably interpret what I'm saying differently anyway?

But this is a public forum & there are many guests online, at any one time. I wouldn't want any genuine racists picking up on certain remarks like that & adding fuel to their fire. I'm married to a Filipina & I want her time here, if we live here? to be as smooth as possible. There is a lot of racial tension already, in this country & this affects all of us.

Johncar was also right, you do have to be careful what you post on a public forum. Where I used to work, a work colleague was sacked, along with two others from another office, over remarks they were making on an internet public forum. The Bosses had been watching them for a while & swooped, escorting them off the premises.

[Dedworth]

Dedworth, I "know" you well enough through the forum & I know we've had a run-in, in the past...Even become quite fond of you. Take a lot of what you say with a pinch of salt, at times even agree with you.

But in this case, I agree with johncar & others will too, "the ethnic enemy within" could easily be construed as a racist remark, even if you don't agree? Yeah I know you're going to call me a woolly liberal & I'm really not going to get into an arguement. You'll probably interpret what I'm saying differently anyway?

But this is a public forum & there are many guests online, at any one time. I wouldn't want any genuine racists picking up on certain remarks like that & adding fuel to their fire. I'm married to a Filipina & I want her time here, if we live here? to be as smooth as possible. There is a lot of racial tension already, in this country & this affects all of us.

Johncar was also right, you do have to be careful what you post on a public forum. Where I used to work, a work colleague was sacked, along with two others from another office, over remarks they were making on an internet public forum. The Bosses had been watching them for a while & swooped, escorting them off the premises.

I don't see how "ethnic enemy within" can be construed as racist - there is most definately an enemy within and it comes from a certain, perhaps not ethnic, but religious persuasion. The same situation would appear to apply in Sweden as recent events have proved.

Johncar has used the racist taunt at me a few times in its standard New Labour /Politically Correct guise. This is as a response to anyone who has the temerity to criticise the problems caused by the multicultural cesspit Blair, Brown and Co deliberately created by throwing open our borders to untold criminals, chancers, health tourists, extremists etc. This is the cause of the racial tension you mention. In the dying days of the last Govt when they realised the game was up they did a u turn and accepted that immigration was an issue.

I'm sure if/when you get your wife here you won't experience any problems as no doubt within reason she will make a point of quickly adapting to the UK, will go about her life quietly and with dignity. Other than that nasty piece of 50% Pinoy Chindamo I don't think I've seen, read or heard anything negative in the UK about folk from The Philippines.

It is very easy for the John Cars of this world to sit and pontificate about 21st Century Britain in sunnier climes - if he was living on low income in a drug and crime ridden sink estate in Burnley, sending his kid to a school where 90% of the other kids speak English as a foreign language he'd be singing from a very different hymn sheet

[bornatbirth]

It is very easy for the John Cars of this world to sit and pontificate about 21st Century Britain in sunnier climes - if he was living on low income in a drug and crime ridden sink estate in Burnley, sending his kid to a school where 90% of the other kids speak English as a foreign language he'd be singing from a very different hymn sheet

do you

seems to me your ranting on behalf of others, i see cameron wants to release prisoners do you want some living near you

[Sim11UK]

Well good points made above & I agree mostly & thanks for your words of encouragement, regarding my wife.

Still think that "the ethnic enemy within", has a nasty ring to it?...just gives an air of tension? if someone was to pick up on it, who dosen't know your "style".

[Arthur Little]

one could say the same after reading your posts but one wouldnt be so rude

Eh? ... you just have been ... by implication!

[Dedworth]

seems to me your ranting on behalf of others,

No I don't

i see cameron wants to release prisoners do you want some living near you

Not heard of this one but local councils keep the location of bail/offender/paedophile houses pretty quiet - I know of one 400 metres from royal land so they don't just put them in crap areas. Ken Clarkes a limp wrister who will be out when Cameron reshuffles the pack

[johncar54]

Just for the info of some.

I have no interest in any particular political party and it seems I am presenting reasoned argument as I have been accused in various post of being everywhere from far left to far right.

I still maintain that in MOST cases it is not appropriate to mention a persons skin colour, nationality, religion etc.

Of course if the police issue a description of a person who is wanted then that is a clear exemption as everyone knows a description is just that.

But, if for example I had an accident and the other driver was a white male, it is unlikely that I would mention it, so why is it OK to mention it if they are anything other than male and white ?

If they were not white and male it may pass though my mind to say so, but I know that would be racist and maybe sexist on my part.

Those who cannot see that distinction, albeit they may be married to a person of another race, that does not remove the inference that they are being racist.

For those who still do not want to understand what I am saying: If I said a stupid, fat, black woman, with tattoos drove into my car, rather than saying a person just drove into my car, then that would be a racist and sexist comment. The fact that I am married to a Filipino woman would not alter that.

I hope that makes my point clearly enough for all to understand.

[grahamw48]

Nope, I believe if you had called her a black b*****d, then that would be racist.

The description you gave above would merely be a statement of facts. (Well the 'stupid' could be open to debate ).

[bornatbirth]

what if a filipina drove into your car, what would you tell the police

[les_taxi]

Nothing wrong with describing the person,if a Chinese women backed into my car and drove off I would say a Chinese woman drove into my car
Stop being scared it may offend ffs say it how it is


Often the term "bald headed man is used" am i going to take offence at that It's an accurate description.
We often use features,colours,weight,height to describe someone.

If it was a black,fat,tall person who crashed into my car and was wearing a burka I might say Muslim too-so what big deal.

So people in this country need to grow some balls.

[grahamw48]

Would the colour of the car that hit you and then drove off be irrelevant too ?