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    UK Immigration Caps on Family Immigration

    There has been a lot of news here recently about the UK Govt introducing new caps on immigration - lots of figures being bandied around but little on the substance of how it will be accomplished. One area that has been mentioned is a cut in family immigration. Does anyone have any insights or thoughts about this?

    Some of the questions in my mind are :-

    1. Will this affect spouse/fiancee applications? It shouldnt do as the UK Govt is a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights. If so, then what family immigration are they talking about?
    2. When will these caps be introduced i.e. from what date. When the government talks about yearly immigration figures when does the year start and finish - eg is it April to March like the tax year?
    3. There is also lots of news about cuts in UKBA staff - would this include Entry Clearance staff in embassies leading to a return to long waiting times for visas? If so, when will these staff reduction start from?
    4. Will the Government have to pass new legislation (i.e. Acts of Parliament) or does it just instruct civil servants to implement its policies?

    Anyone got a crystal ball?

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    Most of the embassy staff in Manila are locals, and obviously cost very little to employ.

    I would be more impressed if the MPs took a 50% cut in their ridiculous (and self-awarded) salaries, and we stopped handing out money to corrupt 3rd world governments.

    We should withdraw from the 'human rights' nonsense, stop benefits for fit and able people under retirement age, charge people to have children, re-grow some balls and look after our own.


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    The important part for Alfie (and others) is:-

    Last year, the family route accounted for nearly 20% of
    non-EU immigration. Clearly, British nationals must be
    able to marry the person of their choice, but those who
    come to the UK must be able to participate in society.
    From next week, we will require all those applying for
    marriage visas to demonstrate a minimum standard of
    English. We are also cracking down on sham marriages,
    and will consult on extending the probationary period of
    settlement for spouses beyond the current two years.

    Finally, we need to restrict settlement. It cannot be
    right that people coming to fill temporary skills gaps
    have open access to permanent settlement. Last year,
    62,000 people settled in the UK on that basis.
    Settling in Britain should be a privilege to be earned,
    not an automatic add-on to a temporary way in, so we will
    end the link between temporary and permanent migration.

    I intend to introduce these changes to the work route and
    some of the settlement changes from April 2011. I will
    bring forward other changes soon after.


    Here is the full speech made:-
    Controlling Migration
    3.33 pm
    The Secretary of State for the Home Department (Mrs Theresa May): With permission, Mr Speaker, I would like to make a statement on immigration.

    Controlled migration has benefited the UK economically, socially and culturally, but when immigration gets out of control, it places great pressure on our society, economy and public services. In the 1990s, net migration to Britain was consistently in the tens of thousands each year, but under Labour, net migration to Britain was close to 200,000 per year, for most years since 2000. As a result, over Labour's time in office net migration totalled more than 2.2 million people-more than double the population of Birmingham.

    We cannot go on like this. We must tighten up our immigration system, focusing on tackling abuse and supporting only the most economically beneficial migrants. To achieve that, we will have to take action across all routes to entry-work visas, student visas and family visas-and break the link between temporary routes and permanent settlement. That will bring significant reductions in non-European Union migration to the UK and restore it to more sustainable levels. We aim to reduce net migration from the hundreds of thousands back down to the tens of thousands.

    On the work routes to entry, all the evidence shows that it is possible to reduce numbers while promoting growth and underlining the message that Britain is open for business. After consulting widely with business and with the Migration Advisory Committee, I have decided to reduce economic migration through tier 1 and tier 2 from 28,000 to 21,700. That will mean a fall of more than a fifth compared with last year in the number of economic migrants coming in through tiers 1 and 2, excluding intra-company transfers.

    Business groups have told us that skilled migrants with job offers-tier 2-should have priority over those admitted without a job offer, who are in tier 1. I have therefore set the tier 1 limit at 1,000, a reduction of more than 13,000 on last year's number. Such a sharp reduction has enabled me to set the tier 2 limit at 20,700, an increase of nearly 7,000 on last year's number.

    The old tier 1, supposedly the route for the best and the brightest, has not attracted highly skilled workers. At least 30% of tier 1 migrants work in low-skilled occupations such as stacking shelves, driving taxis or working as security guards, and some do not have a job at all, so we will close the tier 1 general route. Instead, I want to use tier 1 to attract more investors, entrepreneurs and people of exceptional talent. Last year, investors and entrepreneurs accounted for fewer than 300 people, and that is not enough, so I will make the application process quicker and more user-friendly, and I will not limit the numbers of those wealth creators who can come to Britain.

    There are also some truly exceptional people who should not need sponsorship from an employer but whom we would wish to welcome to Britain. I will therefore introduce a new route within tier 1 for people of exceptional talent-the scientists, academics and artists who have achieved international recognition, or are likely to do so. The number will be limited to 1,000 a year.


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    Tier 2 has also been abused and misused. Last year more than 1,600 certificates were issued for care assistants to come to the UK. At the same time, more than 33,000 care assistants who were already here were claiming jobseeker's allowance, so I will restrict tier 2 to graduate-level jobs.

    We have listened to business and will keep intra-company transfers outside the limit. However, we will place a new salary threshold of £40,000 on any intra-company transfers of longer than 12 months. Recent figures show that 50% of intra-company transfers meet those criteria. That will ensure that those coming are only the senior managers and key specialists who international companies need to move within their organisations.

    I should like to thank the Migration Advisory Committee for its advice and recommendations. Next year, I will ask it to review the limit in order to set new arrangements for 2012-13.

    However, the majority of non-EU migrants are, in fact, students. They represent almost two thirds of the non-EU migrants entering the UK each year, and we cannot reduce net migration significantly without reforming student visas. Hon. Members and others might imagine that by students, we mean people who come here for a few years to study at university and then go home. However, nearly half of all students coming here from abroad are actually coming to study a course below degree level, and abuse is particularly common at those lower levels. A recent check of students studying at private institutions below degree level showed that a quarter could not be accounted for. Too many students at lower levels have been coming here with a view to living and working rather than studying, and we need to stop that abuse.

    As with economic migration, we will therefore refocus student visas on the areas that add the greatest value, and in which evidence of abuse is limited. I will shortly launch a public consultation on student visas. I will consult on restricting entry to only those studying at degree level, but with some flexibility for highly trusted sponsors to offer courses at a lower level. I will also consult on closing the post-study route, which last year allowed some 38,000 foreign graduates to enter the UK labour market at a time when one in 10 UK graduates were unemployed.

    Last year, the family route accounted for nearly 20% of non-EU immigration. Clearly, British nationals must be able to marry the person of their choice, but those who come to the UK must be able to participate in society. From next week, we will require all those applying for marriage visas to demonstrate a minimum standard of English. We are also cracking down on sham marriages, and will consult on extending the probationary period of settlement for spouses beyond the current two years.

    Finally, we need to restrict settlement. It cannot be right that people coming to fill temporary skills gaps have open access to permanent settlement. Last year, 62,000 people settled in the UK on that basis. Settling in Britain should be a privilege to be earned, not an automatic add-on to a temporary way in, so we will end the link between temporary and permanent migration.

    I intend to introduce these changes to the work route and some of the settlement changes from April 2011. I will bring forward other changes soon after. This is a comprehensive package that will help us to meet our
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    goal of reducing net migration, at the same time as attracting the brightest and the best, and those with the skills our country needs. This package will serve the needs of British business, it will respond to the wishes of the British public, and it will give us the sustainable immigration system that we so badly need.


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    They could start by offering re-training to the indigenous population, and do it PROPERLY.

    Most immigrants are NOT needed for employment. That is total RUBBISH when there are 5 million people in this country without jobs, most of whom could be re-trained.

    Of course many of them are just work-shy or turn up their noses at jobs they consider below them.
    It's time to do some whip-cracking and bring some discipline back into society.

    Some worthy ideas above, but as usual with our governments...too little too late. None have the guts to really grasp the nettle.

    How many otherwise fit and able young people are 'disabled' through drugs or drink ? Get THEM sorted out and working instead of giving free methadone or whatever.

    There is so much waste of human resources in this country, and it's costing us all a fortune.

    The more I see what is happening in this country (and others) the more Sodom and Gomorrah comes to mind.

    As far as the visas that we on here are involved with, well IMO they should be treated as a totally separate category, treated as priority, and given an easy passage and fast-tracked, as long as basic requirements are satisfied, instead of being lumped in with the ones being applied for by obvious potential parasites.
    A little humanity and common sense is all that is required. Of course pigs will fly too.

    Maybe it's time for US to use the racism card when our loved ones' visas are being rejected, or unreasonable costs and conditions imposed before they are granted.


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    Graham, I tend to agree with a lot of what you have said.
    I especially agree that spouse/partner/fiance etc should be treated differently. This only represents a small percentage anyway.
    Student visa's/'Bogus' colleges needs sorting quickly. This one is really in an uncontrolled mess.


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    most people in this country may think thank god something is happening about all these foreigners here , but i bet most off them think this new law will include europe too,


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    Quote Originally Posted by stevewool View Post
    most people in this country may think thank god something is happening about all these foreigners here , but i bet most off them think this new law will include europe too,
    You're right Steve. Because it's never clearly explained properly.
    However, I think the large majority of 'students' are non-EU and eventually find a way to switch to settlement.


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    i doubt any gov will try and cap Brits or Europeans bringing their families to the uk

    i can see the gov losing any court cases, they have a crap record of winning any immigration court cases. (one i remember is the hsmp one)

    students visa will suffer most , by far the biggest number of visa's issued. maybe they will stop students bring their spouses and families ? ..

    they could be talking about those on workpermits (tier 2)
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