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8th February 2009 #31
I quite agree with golliwogs all i knew of them as a tiny kid was the marmalade, but later i saw they were basically offensive to many west indian and african mates.
Strangley some British humour is about taking the gentle mickey out of differences ie ginger people and blondes. So i guess at first some people 30 or 40 years and more back inocently didn't see how it was offensive.
I actually have a bigger problem with some of those that see an ism in every thing as i notice many of them seem to have a big issue with race, disabilty, religion.
Id rather people treat everyone the same even if they do make the odd faux pa but learn from their mistake. Well thats life we live and learn.Oh lord why did you make so many clothes and shoe shops
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8th February 2009 #32
I understand mate but ignorance (contextually, a lack of awareness or understanding) is no defence. A faux pas, false step, would be like taking a Japanese person's business card with one hand, putting it down on a table without looking at it and then using it as a coaster for a jug of sake. Becoming aware of the sentiments it caused to the person offering the card, one would certainly not do it again. That would be accepatable as you said, since they learn from their mistakes and were unaware of the effects of their actions.
What would be unacceptable would be doing the same thing to the same person and others in Japan over and over, whether in jest or complete dismissal of the distress it caused to others. That is essentially what use of the 'Golliwog' etc. means to some.
I am a huge fan of innuendo, sarcasm, double-entendre, puns, etc. but joking about hair colour and the associated national perceptions that go with it is not like joking about socially stigmatised and repressed blacks. I know you were not implying that it is, i'm just drawing the distinction.
Anyway, I've exhausted my contribution on this matter
Buenos Noches Muchachos!!!Be responsible with little so that you can be trusted with much!!
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8th February 2009 #33
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8th February 2009 #34Be responsible with little so that you can be trusted with much!!
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8th February 2009 #35
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8th February 2009 #37
but you've managed thru hard work to get where you are toks, many just want everything given to them, and not prepared to work for the rewards.
anyway tok's you've got bigger problems on your way, wait til you see what your little'un will get up to, i've spent 2hrs today taking part and drying his portable dvd player, after he soaked it with his spill proof cup , wall paper is ripped off, food found every where, scrawls on the doors and walls with paint and felt tips, thou i wouldn't change him for the world
all the best to you and your family
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8th February 2009 #38Be responsible with little so that you can be trusted with much!!
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8th February 2009 #39
what you're in for toks
little joe at 2yrs old, at least another 14+yrs to go
and he's laughing his little head off, as he's one place he shouldn't be his sisters bed !
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8th February 2009 #40
Wow! What a cutie Joe. I can't wait to share pics of our little one.
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8th March 2009 #42
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How was it BROWN that brought the country to its knees ?
Scotland was brought to its knees by Mrs Thatcher in the 80's when she killed off our industry and used the Scots as gunnie-pigs for her Poll Tax. At least the labour government under Blair and Brown gave us a refferendum and a VOICE in parliament again.
It wasn't Brown who closed the mines, Ravenscraig, British Steel, and it wasn't Brown who intoruduced prescription charges, and privitised the energy and rail companies.
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8th March 2009 #45
I am not stereotyping the scots at all, the kilt bit was just facetiously added.
Blair and Brown have been telling big porkies since they walked up Downing Street and took residence.
Maggie on the other hand, not one of my idols, didn't lie.....
She did not tell the whole truth, but only what she wanted you to know.
The first thing Blessed Gordon did was to sell the gold reserves for a pittance.
Gold that we sorely miss now to back the pound.
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8th March 2009 #46
Thatcher restructured a failing industry as other cheaper countries imported the same items. That is capatalism. Don't like it, move to N Korea
Brown spent all the profits during the good times, and still managed to run up a large national debt. Professional gamblers could see the present situation coming years ago.Keith Driscoll - Administrator
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8th March 2009 #47
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And what about Norman Lamont and the 4 billion he squandred on scottish Oil Revenue the last time the Tory's were in power ?
It's all too easy to blame individuals for what's happening in the world, and that's the problem, this BLAME culture we live in.
Whether people belive the current govenrment is responsible for the economic downturn of the country or not is a matter of continued debate, but the UK Population also has to take responsibility for some of its own problems. How many of the poeople who are blaming Brown no, actualy bothered to VOTE in the last election ? How many people actualy try to take action to HELP the country instead of just pointing the finger and blaming others. Gordon Brown is one man in a worldwide political Arena at a time when global monetray systems are in chaos. Not everybody agress with his policies, not everybody agrees with his ideas, in the same way that not everbody agreed with Thatcher's ideas and policys. My point is, people should be getting off their back sides and doing something ABOUT IT instead of blaming and pointing fingers. I only hope that in the next election, MORE people come out to vote, and vote for who they believe in to help the country get out of this mess. Anybody who fails to do that has no right to complain, or blame, or point fingers, and political apethy can be a VERY dangerous thing . if the American's can get up and vote then so can we.
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Ah, that one again. Reminds me of a song with the line "Every generation blames the one before".
Both the parties are to blame for Britains problems. Let's see, I remember John Prescott telling the Labour Party conference in 1995 that if Labour came to power, they would bring Railways back in to public hands. In the last election, Labour promised NOT to privatise the Royal Mail.
Truth is, stuff the lot of them, I'm just saving the pounds to get out of this place.
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8th March 2009 #49
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8th March 2009 #50
Wrote out a long reply to that how
The gist of it was but colour of hair jokes can be sometimes ethnic based.
Blonde and ginger jokes i would not be suprised if they go back to the days of pictish and anglo saxon being enemies and people to poke fun at?
Yes they can dye their hair but just as a Black person could speak to a person on the phone or be out of sight. The joke or insult would still be offensive.
I have seen some mikey taking, ribbing of people with red hair and the skin they have which comes with the genes and to a lesser extent some blonde people which if made about their skin would be classfied as racist and many of the examples so malicous and prolonged its not light hearted its some thing that really seems to be a big issue with the person doing the insulting.
When I have been in schools on business or traveling though central london I seen many asian and black kids ribbing the only white kid regarding their hair colour. Many occasions its good natured and meant as a form of friendship other times its the difference that is the issue.
Light hearted jokes or mistaken comment I think sensible people can handle but its the issues some people seem to have lurking inside them which worry me.
I have had people of all backgrounds make blonde jokes many of which just subsitute a Irish person, black person or another non acceptable to have a pop at nowdays.
I always like to have a bit of fun with some pc person who tells a blonde joke saying I used to be dumb when a child and in the sunshine. Once they click they like oh well its just a joke, not meant to be harmful. A senior member of our HR department said "oh sorry im just having a blonde moment".
I cant belive the asian lady would have said oh im having a white moment and would have be mortified if i implied i had a chinese or slitty eye moment if isomething up.
Yes I know non asians can have surgery to alter there eyes to be more like a chinese person and chinese can dye there hair. But to me her reaction once she realised was more telling.
Many Black and asian young people at work tell blonde jokes and Irish ones and I see older Black and asian co workers wince as the younger ones dont realise if they changed the descrpition to one they call themselves or said it in a certain voice would have been poked at them once upon a time.
Sadly it seems its in many people from all background and type of genes to tell jokes to put down other people for some reasonOh lord why did you make so many clothes and shoe shops
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16th March 2009 #51
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