Dual nationality Irish and RoP

[johncar54]

Thanks for the comments guys.

I was a police liaison officer with passport office in UK so have/had considerable background knowledge about UK passports, including myths and misunderstandings. It is for that reason I ask what the law demands, not because I want to test what an officer at the immigration desk might understand/misunderstand about the law, but why anyone needs to go to the expense and inconvenience of renewing a PP if it is not a legal requirement.

I know UK nationals do not need a PP to enter UK. I cannot believe the same does not apply to RoP. After all, how many Filipinos who have never travelled have a PP, thus not a requirement to live there.

I know, in most circumstances airlines will not let one travel without a valid PP but that is not the law but the rules which apply to airline repatriating passengers who are not permitted to enter countries.



John

[fred]

Thanks the comments guys.

I was a police liaison officer with passport office in UK so have/had considerable background knowledge about UK passports. It is for that reason I ask what the law demands, not because I want to test what an officer at the immigration desk might understand/misunderstand about the law.

I know that a UK national does not need a PP to enter UK. However in most circumstances the airlines will not let one travel to UK without a valid PP. I cannot believe the same does not apply to RoP. After all, how many Filipinos who have never traveled have a PP, thus not a requirement to live there.

John

Its not compulsory for a Filipino to have a passport is it!
A Filipino returning home using only an Irish passport will be issued a Balikbayan stamp which is a one year visa free stay.. Presentation of an expired R.P passport is not evidence of dual nationality.Obviously..If they had a valid Filipino passport they would need no visa at all.

I know that a UK national does not need a PP to enter UK.

So what I.D would they need at UK immigration if they had no passport and how would they have been able to travel without one in any scenario ?
I`m pretty sure I could persuade an airline to let me travel to my home country if I had lets say a month left of validity but I doubt I could swing it if it was expired.

[johncar54]

When travelling to one’s home country, or an EU national travelling within the EU, they only need the PP to be valid on the day of travel. So up and including the expiry date.

I have worked with the police in Spain for 20 years. From time to time people report the loss of their PP. If there is insufficient time to obtain an emergency travel document from the consulate, they are usually permitted to travel using the police report and other ID which is acceptable to the person checking it on the day of travel.

But I still have the question about a Filipino National entering RoP on a non Philippines PP I cannot believe they can be restricted as to how long they can stay.

PS I have not suggested a person would be allowed to travel without a valid PP or proof they had one, (as when it was lost).

PPS Presentation of an expired RoP PP I would think proves one is a RoP national, thus entitled to entry RoP without any formality and stay for as long as they wish, including forever.

[fred]

When travelling to one’s home country, or an EU national travelling within the EU, they only need the PP to be valid on the day of travel. So up and including the expiry date.

I have worked with the police in Spain for 20 years. From time to time people report the loss of their PP. If there is insufficient time to obtain an emergency travel document from the consulate, they are usually permitted to travel using the police report and other ID which is acceptable to the person checking it on the day of travel.

But I still have the question about a Filipino National entering RoP on a non Philippines PP I cannot believe they can be restricted as to how long they can stay.

PS I have not suggested a person would be allowed to travel without a valid PP or proof they had one, (as when it was lost).

PPS Presentation of an expired RoP PP I would think proves one is a RoP national, thus entitled to entry RoP without any formality and stay for as long as they wish, including forever.

John..You are quite entitled to believe whatever you wish and then advise your friend accordingly.

[johncar54]

John..You are quite entitled to believe whatever you wish and then advise your friend accordingly.

Sorry Fred but I am getting the impression you may suspect I am being argumentative about this.

I started the thread saying "Legal views on this would be appreciated". That is because, with a legal background, I really want to know from a legal stand point.

Regards
John

Raynaputi,

Thanks for your post.

Do I understand you to mean, that as a Filipino who has acquired Irish nationality, although she did not not take any steps to relinquinice her Filipino Nationality, she has or may have inadvertently relinquished it just by having obtained Irish nationality ?

Having read your post, I researched that possibility, but to me it appears less than clear.

http://www.philembassymadrid.com/dual-citizenship

QUOTE:_

RETENTION AND RE-ACQUISITION OF PHILIPPINE CITIZENSHIP UNDER RA 9225 (DUAL CITIZENSHIP)

Dual Citizenship

Republic Act 9225 (RA 9225) or the Citizenship Retention and Re-acquisition Act of 2003 (more popularly known as the Dual Citizenship Law) allows natural-born Filipinos who have become naturalized citizens of another country to retain or re-acquire their Filipino citizenship. Upon reacquiring Philippine citizenship, the citizens shall enjoy full civil and political rights as Filipinos, subject to certain conditions. if that would happen, ).

(I changed colour to red)

NB When obtaining Irish nationality as with UK (and even Spanish as a national of a former Spanish colony) one may legally hold dual nationality.

I look forward to reading your understanding on this.

Thanks
John