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    It's not reckless to impose cuts on the feckless

    The Government is seriously considering cutting the welfare budget still further because of the popularity of its £26,000-a-year cap which came into force this week.

    An even-lower limit of £20,000 is being discussed, along with plans to restrict child benefit to two children and ending altogether housing benefit for the under-25s.

    Despite the predictable, stage-managed, anguished howls of the BBC, the Guardianistas and the poverty industry, most voters believe welfare is far too generous, even after the latest reductions.

    Many of you wonder how the Government decided to cap payments at £26,000 per household, which is considerably more than millions of people have to live on each year.

    The figure is supposed to be based on the notional after-tax income of an average family. But plenty of readers have written to say that even with two breadwinners in their family, they don’t make anything like that amount.

    No doubt the usual suspects will be screaming about the proposals to restrict child benefit to two offspring. But why should women expect to go on having babies they can’t afford to support?

    Despite the new cap, it will still be possible for parents with ten children to claim up to £41,000 a year in handouts.

    To put things in perspective, a salary of £41,000 is only fractionally below the threshold at which wage-earners are considered to be so ‘rich’ they must pay the higher 40 per cent rate of income tax. To take home £41,000, you’d have to earn £64,000 before tax.

    There are plenty of examples of big families, in which no one has a job, demanding and receiving larger homes, paid for by taxpayers.

    Yet why should working men and women have to pay taxes to support feckless individuals who haven’t worked a day in their lives and expect the rest of us to keep them in the manner to which they have become accustomed?

    Welfare was designed as a temporary safety net, not a way of life. But Labour cynically expanded the system to provide well-remunerated employment for its supporters and create a vast client class of claimants who would repay their gratitude at the ballot box.

    Some senior Labour figures now want welfare benefits enshrined in European law as a basic ‘human right’.

    Of course, in a civilised society, welfare should be there for people who have genuinely fallen on hard times and can’t provide for themselves through no fault of their own.

    It shouldn’t be an alternative lifestyle choice for those who can’t be bothered to get out of bed in the morning.

    Many of those on the unemployment register say they would work if they could, but they’re better off claiming benefits. That’s the fault of those who designed the system.

    But the answer is not to keep on doling out money the country can’t afford. It is to make work pay by cutting both benefits and taxes, so those who can only secure relatively lowly-paid jobs have an incentive to return to employment.

    It’s not as if there aren’t jobs around. More than a million have been created in the private sector under this Government and waves of recent immigrants seem to have no trouble finding work.

    People rightly get riled when they learn about immigrants living on benefits, like Rebecca who cooks for the ‘omelettes people’ and who was featured in this column on Tuesday after being put up by the BBC as cruel victim of the ‘savage cuts’.

    hey also resent stories about immigrants receiving child benefit payments which they then send back to families who don’t even live in Britain. But, in truth, although these stories are major irritants, the biggest drain on the welfare budget are British citizens who have been brought up to believe that the State will provide everything from housing and health care to Special Brew and Sky television.

    Much to the disgust of the Left, public tolerance with welfare excess has reached a tipping point.

    We will continue to hear about the ‘cruelty’ of the cuts, the halt and the lame will be dragged across our BBC TV screens like modern-day Bob Cratchits. Political activists in wheelchairs will chain themselves to the railings for the benefit of the cameras, even though no one who is genuinely disabled is suffering any cuts in their income or support.

    But their faux outrage has been proved to be a damp squib. The Tories should now feel emboldened to cut welfare further and faster. It’s a vote-winner, especially with older people who have played by the rules and paid taxes all their lives.

    If Labour seriously think being forced to live on £26,000 a year after tax is a real hardship, then why aren’t they campaigning for lower taxes or proposing to raise the married couples’ pension to twenty-six grand?

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...#ixzz2ZUT02sCl

    Great article Mr Littlejohn I fully agree

    Who's against this ???? the BBC and of course the Labour Party - just as disgraceful as the benefit scroungers they support.


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    i could live good on £26 grand a year, how do i get it


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    there are jobs?, pity he didn't watch Nick and Margaret: We All Pay Your Benefits last night, where 5 people are on average chasing 1 job

    the 26k figure is what the tories wanted to set the minimum income level to bring a spouse to the UK, its only because of the libs it was set at £18k6
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    id be lucky to get a job paying 26k, how do they do it 26k and sit on their ass, well i would sit on my ass too for that


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    Quote Originally Posted by imagine View Post
    i could live good on £26 grand a year
    Yes, , Stewart ... likewise! With MY Occupational and State Pensions combined, our total Annual Income (as a married couple) amounts to roughly half of that ... ... yet two of us find we can live comfortably on it!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Little View Post
    Likewise! With my Occupational and State Pensions combined, my Annual Income amounts to roughly half of that ... ... yet two of us find we can live comfortably on it!
    you've not kids at home Arthur, a mortgage ? have you got a car ?
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    benefits should be reduced, but also along with that earnings for working people should rise,

    so those that bust their butts to get by on inadequate wages, can and should get paid an amount well above any benefit, and those supposedly signing on looking for work should be put to work to justify receiving benefit


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    Quote Originally Posted by joebloggs View Post
    you've not kids at home Arthur, a mortgage ? have you got a car ?
    No. ... that's true, Joe. ... each of those three considerations does leave a LARGE dent in any family budget.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Little View Post
    No. :nono-1-1-: ... that's true, Joe. ... each of those three considerations do leave a LARGE dent in a family budget.
    the Govt do pay Support for Mortgage Interest (SMI)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Little View Post
    Yes, , Stewart ... likewise! With MY Occupational and State Pensions combined, our total Annual Income (as a married couple) amounts to roughly half of that ... ... yet two of us find we can live comfortably on it!
    Same here Arthur!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Parnham View Post
    Same here Arthur!
    I suppose Michael you haven't got 4 kids, a trophy dog, 89 inch TV set, untold mobile phones and games consoles, obesity that needs you to be taxied everywhere, tobacco, drink and drugs addiction etc etc


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dedworth View Post
    the Govt do pay Support for Mortgage Interest (SMI)
    that might depend on what benefit a persons on , and savings and total income,


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dedworth View Post
    I suppose Michael you haven't got 4 kids, a trophy dog, 89 inch TV set, untold mobile phones and games consoles, obesity that needs you to be taxied everywhere, tobacco, drink and drugs addiction etc etc



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dedworth View Post
    I suppose Michael you haven't got 4 kids, a trophy dog, 89 inch TV set, untold mobile phones and games consoles, obesity that needs you to be taxied everywhere, tobacco, drink and drugs addiction etc etc
    Funny you mention that. I used to be in Rotaract (Sort of an under 30's Rotary club), and one year we took part in one of those "buy a present for a child who would otherwise get nothing" things. You see these all the time, the Junior Chamber do it a lot, and the local radio station does it, some work places do as well.

    Anyway, presents all collected, we were given a list from the council social services of households where the children were in poverty. Turned up and time after time we were delivering to houses with satellite dishes etc.

    Rotaract stopped doing it after this. Draw your own conclusion to this, if that was a good or a bad thing - or is it the kids fault the parents have plenty of money for cigs, plenty of money for drink, plenty of money for a new piece of string to put on the staffie...........


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    and for some of them, their extra income from dealing drugs


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    I've always believed that the benefits system is to easy to fiddle. While your handing people cash to spend as they want and asking for nothing in return then it's always going to be abused.
    Give them a debit card so you can see where the majority of the money is being spent and if they're long term unemployed then they should have to do something for the money. If these scumbags had to get out of bed every morning and do something productive for their hand out then it would soon have an impact.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Little View Post
    Yes, , Stewart ... likewise! With MY Occupational and State Pensions combined, our total Annual Income (as a married couple) amounts to roughly half of that ... ... yet two of us find we can live comfortably on it!
    Surprising what you can do with dried leaves My ''good lady'' would of taken to her broom stick years ago had that been me. You got yourself a good one their Arthur


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    Quote Originally Posted by joebloggs View Post
    there are jobs?, pity he didn't watch Nick and Margaret: We All Pay Your Benefits last night, where 5 people are on average chasing 1 job

    the 26k figure is what the tories wanted to set the minimum income level to bring a spouse to the UK, its only because of the libs it was set at £18k6
    They should take the advice of Norman Tebbitt ''get on your bike and don't stop until you find work''....Our eastern european brothers can be bothered to leave family and friends behind to find worth while paid work in the UK why can't the idle here be bothered to lift their lardy butts off their coffee stained fag burn't sofas and do likewise.

    The purpose of the 26k was because you can claim family tax credit....live according to your means!!!!!...you wanna a better life then get a better paid job


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